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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 2:24 pm    Post subject: Rapid Changes in British Dealings with Iran Reply with quote

Those of you in England should look into this article in Persian citing Peykenet sources posted on Iranvajahan:
http://www.iranvajahan.net/cgi-bin/news.pl?l=fa&y=1382&m=10&d=17&a=3

According to reports and eyewitness accounts the British have been changing key personnel in their foreign office, diplomatic cadre and also the BBC Persian News service in the last 48 hours, signaling major changes re: Iran. The longtime head of BBC Persian news was replaced with 2 British people who will shift the focus of the BBC news to human rights violations, and the illegal activities of the hardliners against the Reformist candidates in the upcoming elections.

Foreign minister Jack Straw, the smiling buddy of the Mullah$ and popular guest in Qom, has also been instructed to radically alter his attitudes towards the Mullah$ if he wants to keep his job. The respected and prestigious Financial Times of London also broke the story that Osama is in Iran. And Blair's recent trip to Baghdad (also 48 hours ago) and his speech about the transformed Iraq changing all the other selfish regimes in the area was a veiled threat to the Mullah$!

Wow, as the US prepares to kiss and makeup with the Mullah$ the British are getting ready to distance themselves from the regime they have been supporting all these years? Boy those sly British are clever, no wonder they have been running the world all these years. Very Happy

But it seems like the British are preapreing the way for a Reformist counter coup and trying to divert the pre-revolutionary energies in Iran towards another political direction involving the takeover of their Reformi$t trading buddie$ as some new political identity that will usher in some changes, force the hardliners behind the scenes, give the people some social freedom, and allow the European's to continue their looting! This will not be the Third Force direction, but a way of neutralising and altering the aspirations of the Third Force towards a more pro European looting Republic/colony in Iran with many of the Reformi$t$ in charge . Basically another dysfunctional Middle Eastern Republic, run as a colony of the EU.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 2:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Rapid Changes in British Dealings with Iran Reply with quote

Spenta wrote:
Those of you in England should look into this article in Persian citing Peykenet sources posted on Iranvajahan:
http://www.iranvajahan.net/cgi-bin/news.pl?l=fa&y=1382&m=10&d=17&a=3

According to reports and eyewitness accounts the British have been changing key personnel in their foreign office, diplomatic cadre and also the BBC Persian News service in the last 48 hours, signaling major changes re: Iran. The longtime head of BBC Persian news was replaced with 2 British people who will shift the focus of the BBC news to human rights violations, and the illegal activities of the hardliners against the Reformist candidates in the upcoming elections.

Foreign minister Jack Straw, the smiling buddy of the Mullah$ and popular guest in Qom, has also been instructed to radically alter his attitudes towards the Mullah$ if he wants to keep his job. The respected and prestigious Financial Times of London also broke the story that Osama is in Iran. And Blair's recent trip to Baghdad (also 48 hours ago) and his speech about the transformed Iraq changing all the other selfish regimes in the area was a veiled threat to the Mullah$!

Wow, as the US prepares to kiss and makeup with the Mullah$ the British are getting ready to distance themselves from the regime they have been supporting all these years? Boy those sly British are clever, no wonder they have been running the world all these years. Very Happy

But it seems like the British are preapreing the way for a Reformist counter coup and trying to divert the pre-revolutionary energies in Iran towards another political direction involving the takeover of their Reformi$t trading buddie$ as some new political identity that will usher in some changes, force the hardliners behind the scenes, give the people some social freedom, and allow the European's to continue their looting! This will not be the Third Force direction, but a way of neutralising and altering the aspirations of the Third Force towards a more pro European looting Republic/colony in Iran with many of the Reformi$t$ in charge . Basically another dysfunctional Middle Eastern Republic, run as a colony of the EU.


If this is the case - that England is altering it's stance I wouldn't necessarily assume that they want to prop up a reformist and f*** the Iranian people. Iranian population is on the edge in terms of overthrowing the regime - it would be best fo England and United States to make up for all the screwups and damage they have caused in the past to support the Iranian people and pressure the regime out. I simply don't think the Iranian people would fall for some supported reformer.. I think they are after and will demand one of the most realest full-fledged representative government and nothing less..

The smart thing for britain is to acknowledge as Bush has the mistakes of the past and make a direct apology to the Iranian people. This won't be answered back with complete forgiveness, but it would do some good - especially if it was followed up by unequivical support for the people and good will towards the Iranian nation.

American and Britain need to work together for the benefit of not only themselves but for people who long to be free everywhere.. Britain should avoid trying to screw over America and vise versa.. Then they should all at once support the Iranian people...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 8:08 pm    Post subject: Actually Reply with quote

Actually after thinking it over -

you can never really trust the British.. they screwed up so much that's it's hard not to be suspect of every action and motive.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 11:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Actually Reply with quote

redemption wrote:
Actually after thinking it over -

you can never really trust the British.. they screwed up so much that's it's hard not to be suspect of every action and motive.


Nope - don't trust 'em.. unless they really put fourth some positive action to change my mind.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:16 am    Post subject: Re: Rapid Changes in British Dealings with Iran Reply with quote

Spenta wrote:
Those of you in England should look into this article in Persian citing Peykenet sources posted on Iranvajahan:
http://www.iranvajahan.net/cgi-bin/news.pl?l=fa&y=1382&m=10&d=17&a=3

According to reports and eyewitness accounts the British have been changing key personnel in their foreign office, diplomatic cadre and also the BBC Persian News service in the last 48 hours, signaling major changes re: Iran. The longtime head of BBC Persian news was replaced with 2 British people who will shift the focus of the BBC news to human rights violations, and the illegal activities of the hardliners against the Reformist candidates in the upcoming elections.

Foreign minister Jack Straw, the smiling buddy of the Mullah$ and popular guest in Qom, has also been instructed to radically alter his attitudes towards the Mullah$ if he wants to keep his job. The respected and prestigious Financial Times of London also broke the story that Osama is in Iran. And Blair's recent trip to Baghdad (also 48 hours ago) and his speech about the transformed Iraq changing all the other selfish regimes in the area was a veiled threat to the Mullah$!

Wow, as the US prepares to kiss and makeup with the Mullah$ the British are getting ready to distance themselves from the regime they have been supporting all these years? Boy those sly British are clever, no wonder they have been running the world all these years. Very Happy

But it seems like the British are preapreing the way for a Reformist counter coup and trying to divert the pre-revolutionary energies in Iran towards another political direction involving the takeover of their Reformi$t trading buddie$ as some new political identity that will usher in some changes, force the hardliners behind the scenes, give the people some social freedom, and allow the European's to continue their looting! This will not be the Third Force direction, but a way of neutralising and altering the aspirations of the Third Force towards a more pro European looting Republic/colony in Iran with many of the Reformi$t$ in charge . Basically another dysfunctional Middle Eastern Republic, run as a colony of the EU.


Khomeni, Rafsanjani, Khameni, Kharazi, Akhoond Rohani, Mahdavi Kani and Khatamie are part of British Mafia Secret society in Iran and directly working for England. So far we have not seen any real positive step from England and Iranians can not trust trust them.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:22 am    Post subject: Re: Rapid Changes in British Dealings with Iran Reply with quote

NoTrustInEngland wrote:
Spenta wrote:
Those of you in England should look into this article in Persian citing Peykenet sources posted on Iranvajahan:
http://www.iranvajahan.net/cgi-bin/news.pl?l=fa&y=1382&m=10&d=17&a=3

According to reports and eyewitness accounts the British have been changing key personnel in their foreign office, diplomatic cadre and also the BBC Persian News service in the last 48 hours, signaling major changes re: Iran. The longtime head of BBC Persian news was replaced with 2 British people who will shift the focus of the BBC news to human rights violations, and the illegal activities of the hardliners against the Reformist candidates in the upcoming elections.

Foreign minister Jack Straw, the smiling buddy of the Mullah$ and popular guest in Qom, has also been instructed to radically alter his attitudes towards the Mullah$ if he wants to keep his job. The respected and prestigious Financial Times of London also broke the story that Osama is in Iran. And Blair's recent trip to Baghdad (also 48 hours ago) and his speech about the transformed Iraq changing all the other selfish regimes in the area was a veiled threat to the Mullah$!

Wow, as the US prepares to kiss and makeup with the Mullah$ the British are getting ready to distance themselves from the regime they have been supporting all these years? Boy those sly British are clever, no wonder they have been running the world all these years. Very Happy

But it seems like the British are preapreing the way for a Reformist counter coup and trying to divert the pre-revolutionary energies in Iran towards another political direction involving the takeover of their Reformi$t trading buddie$ as some new political identity that will usher in some changes, force the hardliners behind the scenes, give the people some social freedom, and allow the European's to continue their looting! This will not be the Third Force direction, but a way of neutralising and altering the aspirations of the Third Force towards a more pro European looting Republic/colony in Iran with many of the Reformi$t$ in charge . Basically another dysfunctional Middle Eastern Republic, run as a colony of the EU.


Khomeni, Rafsanjani, Khameni, Kharazi, Akhoond Rohani, Mahdavi Kani and Khatamie are part of British Mafia Secret society in Iran and directly working for England. So far we have not seen any real positive step from England and Iranians can not trust trust them.


So far yes.. but, maybe they will change.. maybe they will united with the United States to make right what US and Britain fucked up in the past.. it's never too late to change..

I think they will.. I think they have much more to gain by supporting freedom in the long-run!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im british
and my country should change its attitude, and the leaders of my country may have changed their attitude already and we wouldnt at first know it .
communisms gone it could be they will now turn their attention to islam after bali and 9/11 they should

its possible that the islam is a religion of peace that tony blair keeps saying is just a front and they are working at a clever plan

or it could be that they really are that dumb

for some reason in the uk its ok to attack christianity but islam as been left alone
Im a agnostic that leans towards atheism and if you go on most atheist websites , all you seem to see is people attacking christianity
most people are pretty dumb about islam and seem to think mohammed was someone like jesus or buddha

one of the main things we can all do is attack the theology of islam , if people stop believing in the religion which I think a lot of people are doing then you will get the present goverment of iran to fall

everytime a islamist writes a article that claims that the koran is scientific take the article to piece and prove him a liar

publish the facts about mohammed personal life he kept and made people slaves
had sex Shocked with at least one little child aisha when she was 6-9,

killed hundreds of prisoners at at time

tortured people and stood around watching

was present when slaves were beaten I could go on and can back up all of that by either reference to the koran or haddith

does this man sound like someone god would choose as a prophet?

the target isnt just iran its worldwide every theocracy, I think Iran could be the first country to change

The reason islamic countrys have such high censorship is the leaders of these countrys are afraid if people start to think for themselves they wont follow this lame religion and they wont be able to control them anymore

the internet is a great way to get a message across thats why a lot of countrys block sites like ibn warraq isis and ali sina faithfreedom.org
but I dont think censorship will work
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The British have been screwing Iran since the Qajar era, when with the help of the corrupt Qajar's they kept the country poor and addicted to opium, just like in China! In fact Iran under the Mullah$ is a lot like Iran under the Qajars, a brutal mafia runs a poor and downtrodden populace paralysed with religious superstition and opium as a colony for the Europeans! The history of British mischief making in Iran is so old and well known to all, that every illiterate peasant in Iran knows they are the enemy. The only time Iran became free of religious oppression, opium addiction and was able to acquire modernity and a middle calss was under the Pahalvis. Until the British and the BBC overthrew te Shah with Khomeini, and Iran was once again returned to the dark ages before the Pahlavis.

Anyone who thinks the British only have Iran's good in mind, is perhaps also under the influence of today's opium, Heroin Laughing The British have only one thing in mind and that is their greed and screwing Iran as punishment for kicking out BP which they still have not forgotten. They swore vengence when the Shah nationalised oil and BP lost everything, and they got it by overthrowing the Shah and unleashing the genocide machine of Khomeini! Today they reap the many fruit$ of their undertaking through lots of $$$ . The British have been far worst and deadly for Iran, than the US.

And anyone who thinks the British won't try to push Reformists on Iran again, or that the people won't buy it again think again. After the British overthrew the Shah and brought Iran the genocidal tyrant Khomeini, and Iranians suffered most horribly and swore never again, guess what happened? They brought Iran Khatami and the bogus Reforms and everyone fell for it again Laughing So this time, the British will mostly likely use a turbanless person who is no diffferent than Khatami or Khomeini in his thinking. Keep Iran down, addicted, and perpetually at war with the world with no real allies, with a foreign policy based on the Gaza strip, while the greedy European Neo-Colonilai$t$ rip off evetying in sight under the brutal protection of the I$Lami$t mafia!! Laughing

The only hope for a free, secular, democratic, and prosperous Iran independant of all its foreign looters that I see is with Reza Pahlavi. And the British definately don't support him!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:26 pm    Post subject: d Reply with quote

Spenta wrote:
The British have been screwing Iran since the Qajar era, when with the help of the corrupt Qajar's they kept the country poor and addicted to opium, just like in China! In fact Iran under the Mullah$ is a lot like Iran under the Qajars, a brutal mafia runs a poor and downtrodden populace paralysed with religious superstition and opium as a colony for the Europeans! The history of British mischief making in Iran is so old and well known to all, that every illiterate peasant in Iran knows they are the enemy. The only time Iran became free of religious oppression, opium addiction and was able to acquire modernity and a middle calss was under the Pahalvis. Until the British and the BBC overthrew te Shah with Khomeini, and Iran was once again returned to the dark ages before the Pahlavis.

Anyone who thinks the British only have Iran's good in mind, is perhaps also under the influence of today's opium, Heroin Laughing The British have only one thing in mind and that is their greed and screwing Iran as punishment for kicking out BP which they still have not forgotten. They swore vengence when the Shah nationalised oil and BP lost everything, and they got it by overthrowing the Shah and unleashing the genocide machine of Khomeini! Today they reap the many fruit$ of their undertaking through lots of $$$ . The British have been far worst and deadly for Iran, than the US.

And anyone who thinks the British won't try to push Reformists on Iran again, or that the people won't buy it again think again. After the British overthrew the Shah and brought Iran the genocidal tyrant Khomeini, and Iranians suffered most horribly and swore never again, guess what happened? They brought Iran Khatami and the bogus Reforms and everyone fell for it again Laughing So this time, the British will mostly likely use a turbanless person who is no diffferent than Khatami or Khomeini in his thinking. Keep Iran down, addicted, and perpetually at war with the world with no real allies, with a foreign policy based on the Gaza strip, while the greedy European Neo-Colonilai$t$ rip off evetying in sight under the brutal protection of the I$Lami$t mafia!! Laughing

The only hope for a free, secular, democratic, and prosperous Iran independant of all its foreign looters that I see is with Reza Pahlavi. And the British definately don't support him!


But don't you think the British realize that the regime will not be able to maintain a stronghold on Iran forever - and it is better for the British to side with the US and support the Iranian people.. in a way to apologize from the past - and protect themselves also from getting totally screwed when the system is overhauled by the Iranian people - while the British did not support the people... British should get honest and help US get rid of the mullahs.. bottomline..
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes the British realise that most of their trade deals, and all they have invested in putting this regime into power and keeping it in power for the last 25 years has officially turned into a big expensive ticket on the Titanic Laughing Which is why they are coming up with a plan.

Most people fail to realise that many of the wealthy in Iran are in fact the so called Reformi$ts. Even Khatami himself has a virtual mafia like hold on the pomogranit industry in Iran, the way Rafsanjani does with the pistachios. Many Reformi$ts in Parliament are reaping in big bucks as trading partners for the greedy Neo-Coloniali$t EU companies. So the British are trying to come up with another ruse like the Reforms II. Their plan will involve another dysfunctional corrupt Republic, that places the intersts of the Palestinians above Iranian national interests, that will have enemies everywhere, and be under EU's thumb. They will most likely keep the same people around, to protect their looting, and they will not wear turbans Laughing And yes they know the Mullah$ have become Maye Aberoo Reezee, and must be kept out of sight.

That is what I believe. But if you think they have democracy, secularity, freedom, prosperity and Iranian nationalism in mind think again. They have greed and another dysfunctional, corrupt and ineffective Republic in mind, of the usual Middle Eastern and African variety! And Iran is ruined and devastated for that.

This is why I support Reza Pahlavi, because he is a symbol of Iranian nationalism, democracy, secularity, freedom, prosperity, progress, modernity, Centrism, anti-fanaticism, hope, a new political course and destiny, and friendliness towards the world! In other words everything the next British handpicked government will not be!
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Spenta wrote:
Yes the British realise that most of their trade deals, and all they have invested in putting this regime into power and keeping it in power for the last 25 years has officially turned into a big expensive ticket on the Titanic Laughing Which is why they are coming up with a plan.

Most people fail to realise that many of the wealthy in Iran are in fact the so called Reformi$ts. Even Khatami himself has a virtual mafia like hold on the pomogranit industry in Iran, the way Rafsanjani does with the pistachios. Many Reformi$ts in Parliament are reaping in big bucks as trading partners for the greedy Neo-Coloniali$t EU companies. So the British are trying to come up with another ruse like the Reforms II. Their plan will involve another dysfunctional corrupt Republic, that places the intersts of the Palestinians above Iranian national interests, that will have enemies everywhere, and be under EU's thumb. They will most likely keep the same people around, to protect their looting, and they will not wear turbans Laughing And yes they know the Mullah$ have become Maye Aberoo Reezee, and must be kept out of sight.

That is what I believe. But if you think they have democracy, secularity, freedom, prosperity and Iranian nationalism in mind think again. They have greed and another dysfunctional, corrupt and ineffective Republic in mind, of the usual Middle Eastern and African variety! And Iran is ruined and devastated for that.

This is why I support Reza Pahlavi, because he is a symbol of Iranian nationalism, democracy, secularity, freedom, prosperity, progress, modernity, Centrism, anti-fanaticism, hope, a new political course and destiny, and friendliness towards the world! In other words everything the next British handpicked government will not be!


Oh boy... well - so you don't think the United States with do anything positive with regard to Iranian people and freedom? What is your prediction?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

are you sure the british are that powerful that they still go around the world picking goverments for people
I know we used to do that sort of thing but where I am we dont feel that sinister and powerful

and if they are that powerful and you dont want a islamic goverment convince them that islam is a threat to them
there is zero coverage that people are being stoned in iran or at least thats what it feels like living here

at the moment people in the street are more pissed off about islam than theyve everbeen in the uk but the main leaders of the country
are allways telling us that islam is something like buddhism and there are just these few cranks blowing people up

thats why when they went in afganistan they didnt do what they should have done set up a secular system instead of what they now have another damn islamic repulic

when we conquered germany we didnt go around looking for nice moderate nazis to run the country we didnt set up a moderate nazi country we set up a secular democracy

some how we need to get this point across to people in the uk and usa they are going to do the same mistake in Iraq thats why I wasnt for the the war because to me they blew it in afganistan

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:18 am    Post subject: good Reply with quote

teddybears against evil wrote:
are you sure the british are that powerful that they still go around the world picking goverments for people
I know we used to do that sort of thing but where I am we dont feel that sinister and powerful

and if they are that powerful and you dont want a islamic goverment convince them that islam is a threat to them
there is zero coverage that people are being stoned in iran or at least thats what it feels like living here

at the moment people in the street are more pissed off about islam than theyve everbeen in the uk but the main leaders of the country
are allways telling us that islam is something like buddhism and there are just these few cranks blowing people up

thats why when they went in afganistan they didnt do what they should have done set up a secular system instead of what they now have another damn islamic repulic

when we conquered germany we didnt go around looking for nice moderate nazis to run the country we didnt set up a moderate nazi country we set up a secular democracy

some how we need to get this point across to people in the uk and usa they are going to do the same mistake in Iraq thats why I wasnt for the the war because to me they blew it in afganistan

islam is the enemy religions shouldnt run countrys


Good point Mr. or Ms. Teddy --- I think British and US will in the end be pretty much allied - though every country may have self-interests that differ from the others.. FREE IRAN should be an interest that they both share in common and defend the Iranian people..

Many good things in the region can come from this!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:42 am    Post subject: Re: good Reply with quote

shamrock wrote:
teddybears against evil wrote:
are you sure the british are that powerful that they still go around the world picking goverments for people
I know we used to do that sort of thing but where I am we dont feel that sinister and powerful

and if they are that powerful and you dont want a islamic goverment convince them that islam is a threat to them
there is zero coverage that people are being stoned in iran or at least thats what it feels like living here

at the moment people in the street are more pissed off about islam than theyve everbeen in the uk but the main leaders of the country
are allways telling us that islam is something like buddhism and there are just these few cranks blowing people up

thats why when they went in afganistan they didnt do what they should have done set up a secular system instead of what they now have another damn islamic repulic

when we conquered germany we didnt go around looking for nice moderate nazis to run the country we didnt set up a moderate nazi country we set up a secular democracy

some how we need to get this point across to people in the uk and usa they are going to do the same mistake in Iraq thats why I wasnt for the the war because to me they blew it in afganistan

islam is the enemy religions shouldnt run countrys


Good point Mr. or Ms. Teddy --- I think British and US will in the end be pretty much allied - though every country may have self-interests that differ from the others.. FREE IRAN should be an interest that they both share in common and defend the Iranian people..

Many good things in the region can come from this!!!!


I wish you were right, but there is no evidence today to suggest that.
Do you have any proof for what you are saying?
Do you know the content of many Secret meetings between England and Mullahs ?
Do you know how many Mullahs are directly working for England Secret Service?
Don't you know that most of equipments and tools used by Mullahs Security forces to kill and supress students are coming from England?
Please show me some hard core evidence to prove your points.

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cyrus wrote:
shamrock wrote:
teddybears against evil wrote:
are you sure the british are that powerful that they still go around the world picking goverments for people
I know we used to do that sort of thing but where I am we dont feel that sinister and powerful

and if they are that powerful and you dont want a islamic goverment convince them that islam is a threat to them
there is zero coverage that people are being stoned in iran or at least thats what it feels like living here

at the moment people in the street are more pissed off about islam than theyve everbeen in the uk but the main leaders of the country
are allways telling us that islam is something like buddhism and there are just these few cranks blowing people up

thats why when they went in afganistan they didnt do what they should have done set up a secular system instead of what they now have another damn islamic repulic

when we conquered germany we didnt go around looking for nice moderate nazis to run the country we didnt set up a moderate nazi country we set up a secular democracy

some how we need to get this point across to people in the uk and usa they are going to do the same mistake in Iraq thats why I wasnt for the the war because to me they blew it in afganistan

islam is the enemy religions shouldnt run countrys


Good point Mr. or Ms. Teddy --- I think British and US will in the end be pretty much allied - though every country may have self-interests that differ from the others.. FREE IRAN should be an interest that they both share in common and defend the Iranian people..

Many good things in the region can come from this!!!!


I wish you were right, but there is no evidence today to suggest that.
Do you have any proof for what you are saying?
Do you know the content of many Secret meetings between England and Mullahs ?
Do you know how many Mullahs are directly working for England Secret Service?
Don't you know that most of equipments and tools used by Mullahs Security forces to kill and supress students are coming from England?
Please show me some hard core evidence to prove your points.




Yah - but guess what.. most people know that.. It's a matter of getting British on the side of US and Iranian people.. and plus who says that you need the British - US can go it alone and remove the regime.. what are you trying to prove.. yes - it is true what you're saying.. but accusations plainly don't make a difference.. action to support Iranian people does make a difference.. We can cry about the British forever, but frankly, it's sort of a waste of time and gay - because in the long run they will do what they do.. Support the people.. and hope that governments will do what is right.
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