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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:09 pm    Post subject: Iran's Ahmadinejad says Israel should be moved to Europe Reply with quote

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051208/wl_afp/iranisraelgermany_051208164944

Iran's Ahmadinejad says Israel should be moved to Europe Laughing


TEHRAN (AFP) - Iran's hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said that if Germany and Austria feel responsible for massacring Jews during World War II, a state of Israel should be established on their soil.


Ahmadinejad, who sparked an international outcry in October when he said Israel "must be wiped off the map", also repeated his view Thursday that the Jewish state was a "tumour".

"Now that you believe the Jews were oppressed, why should the Palestinian Muslims have to pay the price?" the hardline president asked in an interview with Iran's Arabic-language satellite channel, Al-Alam.

"Why did you come to give a piece of Islamic land and the territory of the Palestinian people to them?

"You oppressed them, so give a part of Europe to the Zionist regime so they can establish any government they want. We would support it," he said, according to a transcript of his original Farsi-language comments given to AFP.

"So, Germany and Austria, come and give one, two or any number of your provinces to the Zionist regime so they can create a country there which all of Europe will support and the problem will be solved at its root," he said.

"Why do they insist on imposing themselves on other powers and creating a tumour so there is always tension and conflict?"

Al-Alam said Ahmadinejad was speaking in the holy city of Mecca in Saudi Arabia where he was attending a two-day meeting of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference that opened Wednesday.

"Is it not true that European countries insist that they committed a Jewish genocide? They say that Hitler burned millions of Jews in furnaces ... and exiled them," Ahmadinejad told Al-Alam.

"Then because the Jews have been oppressed during the Second World War, therefore they (the Europeans) have to support the occupying regime of Qods (Jerusalem). We do not accept this," he said.

He also noted that European countries "believe in this so much and are so determined that any researcher who denies it (the Holocaust) with historical evidence is dealt with in a most harsh way and sent to prison."

The Holocaust was Nazi Germany's systematic slaughter of an estimated six million Jews between 1933 and 1945, mainly in the latter years of World War II.

Official Iranian media frequently carry sympathetic interviews with Holocaust revisionist historians -- who attempt to establish that the number of Jews killed by the Nazis was wildly exaggerated.

Iran refuses to recognise Israel.

Ahmadinejad said his second proposal was for "a referendum in Palestine for all the original Palestinians" to decide on the future of what is now Israel, the Gaza Strip and West Bank.

But the president said that "the best solution is resistance so that the enemies of the Palestinians accept the reality and the right of the Palestinian people to have land."
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:55 pm    Post subject: How about move Islamists in Iran to Mecca? Reply with quote

How About To Move Islamists in Iran to Mecca?

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Iran leader: Move Israel to Europe
Ahmadinejad casts doubt on Holocaust


Thursday, December 8, 2005; Posted: 4:00 p.m. EST (21:00 GMT)

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/08/iran.israel.reut/index.html?section=cnn_latest

TEHRAN, Iran (Reuters) -- Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has expressed doubt that the Holocaust occurred and suggested Israel be moved to Europe.

His comments, reported by Iran's official IRNA news agency from a news conference he gave on Thursday in the Saudi Arabian city of Mecca, follow his call in October for Israel to be "wiped off the map," which sparked widespread international condemnation.

"Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces and they insist on it to the extent that if anyone proves something contrary to that they condemn that person and throw them in jail," IRNA quoted Ahmadinejad as saying.

"Although we don't accept this claim, if we suppose it is true, our question for the Europeans is: is the killing of innocent Jewish people by Hitler the reason for their support to the occupiers of Jerusalem?" he said.

"If the Europeans are honest they should give some of their provinces in Europe -- like in Germany, Austria or other countries -- to the Zionists and the Zionists can establish their state in Europe. You offer part of Europe and we will support it."

Six million Jews were killed in the Nazi Holocaust. Ahmadinejad's remarks drew swift rebukes from Israel and Washington.

"This is not the first time, unfortunately, that the Iranian president has expressed the most outrageous ideas concerning Jews and Israel," said Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev.

"He is not just Israel's problem. He is a worry for the entire international community," he added.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said: "It just further underscores our concerns about the regime in Iran and it's all the more reason why it's so important that the regime not have the ability to develop nuclear weapons."

Once allies
Religious hardliners in Iran do not publicly deny the Holocaust occurred but say its scale has been exaggerated to justify the creation of Israel and continued Western support for it.

Close allies when Iran was ruled by the U.S.-backed Shah, Iran and Israel have become implacable foes since Iran's 1979 Islamic revolution.

Israel accuses Iran of giving arms and funding to militant Palestinian groups such as Islamic Jihad and of building nuclear weapons. Iran denies the charges.

Tehran calls Israel a "terrorist state" and has developed missiles which can reach it. It says it would use them if Israel, itself believed to be nuclear-armed, tried to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities.

Earlier in his remarks, the Iranian president, a former Revolutionary Guardsman who won a surprise election victory in June, said:

"The question is, where do those who rule in Palestine as occupiers come from? Where were they born? Where did their fathers live? They have no roots in Palestine but they have taken the fate of Palestine in their hands.

"Isn't the right to national self-determination one of the principles of the United Nations charter? Why do they deprive Palestinians of this right?"

Jews trace their roots in Israel back to Biblical times.

Ahmadinejad concluded his remarks by reiterating Iran's proposal that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict be resolved via a referendum of all the inhabitants of Israel, Gaza and the West Bank as well as Palestinian refugees in neighboring countries.

"Whatever they decide will be accepted by all humanity. This is a clear democratic solution which is based on international principles," he said.



Before such referendum, how about the Iranian people under International Supervision, have a referendum in Iran to send the Islamists in Iran to Meca which they are less than 1% of Iranian society . In past 27 years 5 million Iranian left Iran because of Islamist regime in Iran. Now it is time that Iranian people rise up to send the Islamist to where they belong.

It seems the Islamist regime has forgotten the fact that it is the most hated regime by Iranian people and world. Before he opens his mouth he should see what the Isalmist regime has done in Iran.

The Iranian Jews did not destroy Iran but the Islamists destroyed Iran twice in past 1300 years and on the other hand the Iranian Jews had major contributions to the Iranian culture, Arts, and music.

Iranian people's enemy are not Jews or state of Israel but Islamist regime.

I am sure Iranian people after establishing Secular democracy and Free society in Iran they will welcome back their fellow Iranian Jews and 5 million Iranian who left their country in past 27 years to their own homeland in Iran.



ACHIEVEMENTS OF THE ISLAMIST REGIME In Past 27 Yesrs -
The Islamists in Iran have no Shame



1. Execution, flogging, stoning and amputation of limbs in public
2. Mass killings of political prisoners
3. Assassination of political dissidents outside of Iran
4. Political serial killings in Iran
5. Construction of many new prisons holding thousands of political prisoners
6. Political oppression
7. Promotion of international and domestic terrorism
8. Violation of human rights in every category
9. Lack of civil liberties
10. Improvement and growth of Iran’s Cemeteries
11. Killing and imprisonment of journalists
12. Violation of women’s rights
13. Censorship and closure of publications
14. Forcing Iranian’s to flee the country resorting in five million refugees throughout the world and “brain drain”.
15. Oppression of religious minorities
16. Filtering the internet
17. Jamming out of country satellite TV and radio stations
18. Stealing Iran’s wealth by the Mullahs and transfer of funds to abroad.
19. Destruction of Iran’s Economy
20. Widespread poverty throughout Iran
21. Severe Inflation
22. Devaluation of Iranian Rial
23. Increase in unemployment
24. Increase in the crime rate
25. Promotion of corruption, prostitution and addiction
26. Housing crisis in Iran
27. Malnutrition, retarded growth and increased rate of depression among Iranian youth
28. Public health crisis in Iran
29. Making Iran an international “embarrassment”
30. 1979 Occupation of the US Embassy in Tehran and holding hostages for 444 days.
31. Conflict with neighboring countries
32. Iran-Iraq War resulting in millions dead, wounded, handicapped and homeless
33. Supporting Sadam Hussein in the US Iraq War
34. Destruction of Iran’s Airline Industry
35. Causing economic sanctions against Iran
36. Producing weapon’s of mass destruction
37. Inability to get Iran’s fair share of natural resources from Caspian Sea
38. Promoting regional conflicts in the Middle East
39. Destruction of Iran’s industries
40. Lack of technological advancements
41. Air and environmental pollution crisis in Iran
42. Destruction of Iran’s agriculture
43. Destructions of fine arts, theater, cinema and music in Iran
44. Promoting Islamic Fundamentalism
45. Closure of Iranian Universities under cultural revolution for three years
46. Attacking University campuses to kill and crack down on students
47. Violating the constitution of the “Islamic Republic”
48. Hiring hooligan’s for beating and crack down on Iranian citizens
49. Importing and selling contraband by regimes elements for additional income
50. Selling Iranian women as sex slaves in the United Arab Emarets


Ahmadinejad Profile Summary:

Islamist Mullah Khameni Great Gift's To Iranian People After 27 Years In Power, Evil President-Select Ahmadinejad With 1000s Of Terror By His Own Hand

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A Brutal Man, a Man with Blood on His Hands
He was personally in charge of some specific missions such as the 1989 execution of Dr. Ghassemlou, the Kurdish leader in Vienna, and in an assassination project against Salman Rushdie. The new President is not the modest and pious leader described at length by the media. He is a brutal man. He is a man with blood on his hands. He is a professional killer, not very well known publicly but very familiar to the intelligence community that see him rightfully as one of the agents of International Terrorism manipulated by IRI. Before him Iran was already a terrorist state. What will happen to it with him? What would you call a country whose chief is a terrorist himself?


Quote:
Ex-Hostages Say Iran's Mullahs President-Select a Captor
- "This is the guy. There's no question about it,"
- "You could make him a blond and shave his whiskers, put him in a zoot suit and I'd still spot him."
- "I can absolutely guarantee you he was not only one of the hostage-takers, he was present at my personal interrogation,"
- It's impossible to forget a guy like that,
- He was extremely cruel,
- start sending pieces ” toes and fingers of my son ” to my wife.


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Khameni and Guardian Council Selected "Ahmadinejad" as president With Very Impressive Terror Master and Torture Master Record/Profile
- As one of the pro Mullah Regime student leader Played a central role in the seizure of the United States Embassy in Tehran
- Mastermind of a series of assassinations in the Middle East and Europe, including Iranian Kurdish leader Abdorrahman Qassemlou
- Worked for some time as an executioner in the notorious Evin Prison, where thousands of political prisoners were executed in the bloody purges of the 1980s.
- As Part of Islamic Cultural Revolution, Ahmadinejad and the OSU played a critical role in purging dissident lecturers and students many of whom were arrested and later executed.
- organize Ansar-e Hezbollah, a radical gang of violent Islamic vigilantes thugs.
Ahmadinejad has impressive profile to meet with EU3 Leaders to discuss Human Rights, Torture and Iran's nuclear programme.


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Mullahs Terrorist President-Select Worked For Iran's Eichmann
In 1981 he joined the forces of Assadollah Lajevardi, the Revolutionary Prosecutor in Evin Prison (Iran's Eichmann) who executed hundreds of [political] prisoners every night
How Many Political Prisoners Executed by Terrorist President-Select?


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Khameni and Guardian Council Selected "Ahmadinejad" as president With Very Impressive Terror Master and Torture Master Record/Profile
- As one of the pro Mullah Regime student leader Played a central role in the seizure of the United States Embassy in Tehran
- Mastermind of a series of assassinations in the Middle East and Europe, including Iranian Kurdish leader Abdorrahman Qassemlou
- Worked for some time as an executioner in the notorious Evin Prison, where thousands of political prisoners were executed in the bloody purges of the 1980s.
- As Part of Islamic Cultural Revolution, Ahmadinejad and the OSU played a critical role in purging dissident lecturers and students many of whom were arrested and later executed.
- organize Ansar-e Hezbollah, a radical gang of violent Islamic vigilantes thugs.
Ahmadinejad has impressive profile to meet with EU3 Leaders to discuss Human Rights, Torture and Iran's nuclear programme.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:58 pm    Post subject: People visit the Yad Vashem Holocaust museum in Jerusalem Reply with quote



AFP/File - Wed Dec 14, 3:50 PM ET People visit the Yad Vashem Holocaust museum in Jerusalem. Iran's firebrand President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad launched a fresh attack against Israel, dismissing the Holocaust as a 'myth' and saying the Jewish state should be moved as far away as Alaska.(AFP/File/Menahem Kahana)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/051214/photos_pl_afp/051214151652_adnc08ms_photo3
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Cyrus,

This may be a bit off-topic, but I was noting your logical (and somewhat humorous) respose to Antar's idiocy, (idiocy with intent....would that be diabolical, by definition?) In any case, the fellow giving the interview below had a creative solution for the Mahdi mongers....




VOA interview of January 1st with INSP Chairman

SMCCDI (Information Service)
January 1, 2006

Another interview was made, today (January 1, 2006), by the
Persian Service of "Voice of America" (VOA), with Aryo B.
Pirouznia on the "Iranian National Secular Party" (INSP)
and its goals.

The INSP has been founded based on the SMCCDI's activities
and gained experiences, of the last several years, in
promotion of "Secularity" and "Iranism". These principles
are establishing the notions of Separation of Religion &
State, the Separation of Constitutional Powers, and a deep
believe in Iran's National Interests and Territorial
Integrity while contributing to the world's peace and
prosperity. Iranism carries also Iran's Renaissance and
establishing Iranians' deep aspirations for Freedom,
Equality, Humanism & look toward Modernity in all its
aspects.

Several other abroad based Iranian Radio or Satellite TV
networks had made interviews, in the last days, with
Pirouznia who's also the coordinator of the SMCCDI and the
Chairman of the newly founded party. These interviews and
the articles published by several foreign media sources,
such as, Il Foglio and l'Opinione in Italy, as well as, the
American Daily, MichNews and the Post Chronicle, in the
U.S.A., have resulted in a welcoming by many Iranians and
the expression of fear by some circles of the Islamic
republic.

The Friday's Editorial of the www.fardanews.com - an
Islamic regime's official website affiliated to Ahmadinejad
- has expressed this fear of "the future victory of
secularism if the split among Islamic regime's faction
become deeper".

In parts of the today's interview and answering to Ebrahim
Biparva, the VOA anchor, and several pro-regime callers,
Pirouznia stated: "... INSP is not seeking to fight any
religion contrary to some wrong believes disseminated by
the Intelligence circles of the Islamic regime. Secularism
means that the structure of the future Iranian State should
be free on any religious interference and Vis versa. There
are today many of the initial founders of the Islamic
republic and some Ayatollahs who are echoing on the need of
Separation of State and Religion...Such thing would avoid
more harm done to Islam as surely it would avoid more harm
done to our country and people...

....In other word, we want to give back to God what belongs
to it and to the People of Iran what belongs to
them....Such formula has contributed to a correct balance
and the creation of great countries, such as the USA, as it
has helped the progress of countries like France or
Japan....

...Even a look to Turkey, which is a much closer example to
Iran, and how secularity was able to accept the
participation of the religious party of Erbakan in the
democratic process, would demonstrate this well funded
claim. His religious party participated in the affairs of
state without being allowed to change the structures of the
state or to disregard the rights of minorities of every
kind.... "

To a question on what a party in exile can mean or what can
be the extent of its activities, Pirouznia responded: "Few
might argue that the idea of a party in exile is an
oxymoron. But, I need to tell them that we should avoid
being blocked by some old clichés. The world's trend and
progressist opinions are not what we can qualify as
immobile factors. If not, we would have stay at the cave
age...

...How can some of us, at any stage, believed in the
slightest possibility of some so-called 'reforms' within
the structures of an ideological and theocratic frame and
then reject the notion of the creation of a secularist and
nationalist party in exile. Principles that are the
remedies of what we have been witnessing for the last
twenty seven years...

...Are we real? Or are we afraid of something or have
another agenda?

...In reality and if we want to avoid being just a laxist,
or an always idealist looking for a kind of Messiah, or if
we are not a kind of apologist of the current regime or of
one of its factions, we need to have a sense of innovation
along with political morality, a long term vision and a
correct game plan, for the sake of our country and and
being able to respond to popular aspirations...

...I think we should open up our minds and respect the
decision of those intending to do something by creating the
necessary structure for, if we're sincere when claiming to
believe in human rights or democratic process....

...We should know that nothing is impossible when logical
and when there's the existence of a collective will behind.
In that line, INSP has its members and its ideas have for
sure many supporters, inside the young Iranian society, who
are fed up with what's going on inside and outside and are
looking for the victory of our goals...

...These goals are not only to promote and work for the
overthrow of the totality of the Islamic republic, but also
and in the tomorrow of Iran's liberation and in case of
obtaining the trust of Iranians, to send parliamentarians
to a future Iranian National Assembly. Their task would be
to push for the application of Secularism and Iranism in
the Iranian society of tomorrow which must respect all's
freedom and the world's peace and prosperity no matter of
what type of secular political frame Iranian would
choose....

.. I need also to remind that there have been many
associations formed in exile which have been able to create
decisive changes in the political course of their country.
They had to born and have their management abroad due to
the existing context and the repressive situation while
having their members and supporters in the masses...
Parties, groups or fronts in exile which became later an
official party inside the country based on the very same
principles they fought for......

...Our Party is looking for an ideology-less Iran where
each Iranian is equal and happy. An Iran which will be
reconnected with the family of nations and which will be
promoting global stability... To that end, my comrades and
I have founded the INSP and will be working for achieving
our goals!"

To a very obvious pro-Ahmadinejad caller who stated that
the Islamic regime will exist till the apparition of the
Shias' Hidden Imam 12th, Pirouznia responded: " I invite
the Islamic regime to pull off its Occupation Forces from
the streets of Iranian cities and stop killing or
executing. Then you'll witness its downfall much much
sooner than the need of apparition of Mahdi - the Hidden
Imam - who's supposed to come fighting injustices."

This interview can be listened, till January 2nd (01:00 PM
US EST), in Real Audio from the minute 31':45" to 60':00"
of the following link:
http://www.voanews.com/real/voa/nenaf/pers/pers1800a.ram

It will be archived after on the VOA Server at:
http://www.voanews.com/mediaassets/persian/2006_01/Audio/ra/Biparva01Jan05.ra
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Amir:
Am I imagining or is it that all of your debates with Oppie and my post have been deleted?? or was it under a different topic???
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blank wrote:
Dear Amir:
Am I imagining or is it that all of your debates with Oppie and my post have been deleted?? or was it under a different topic???
signed:
confused blank Smile


Dear Blank,
Nothing is deleted, if you don't find it in this thread, please check the following thread "Noteworthy Discussion Threads" or search it.
Thanks,
Cyrus
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyrus wrote:
blank wrote:
Dear Amir:
Am I imagining or is it that all of your debates with Oppie and my post have been deleted?? or was it under a different topic???
signed:
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Dear Blank,
Nothing is deleted, if you don't find it in this thread, please check the following thread "Noteworthy Discussion Threads" or search it.
Thanks,
Cyrus


Dear Cyrus:
Thank you, it was moved to "Noteworthy Discussion Threads" I found it. I have tried "Search" to obtain certain posts from the past but have not been successful. I put in the topic, but there is nothing to click on such as "go" etc.. to give me any results. What am I doing wrong??
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