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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:25 am    Post subject: Separatists Discuss Future of Iran Reply with quote

Separatists Discuss Future of Iran

http://marzeporgohar.org/index.php?l=1&cat=21&scat=76&artid=680

On October 26, 2005, the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) is hosting an event called The Unknown Iran The Unknown Iran that is being moderated by Michael A. Ledeen. The occasion is billed as a panel discussion on the plight of Iran’s minorities and their hopes for a democratic future. Although this may not seem abnormal, there is one problem: the panelists are separatists. That’s right, you read correctly. At the same time that unknown elements have placed and detonated bombs in Iran the AEI, a conservative think-tank based in Washington D.C., has suspiciously rolled out the red carpet for these seperatis characters. The names of the panelists are Ali Al-Taie (Shaw University), Morteza Esfandiari (Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan), and Rahim M. Shahbazi (Azerbaijani Societies of North America). Although Hussein Bor (Baluchistan United Front) was also invited to the conference, the party has denied any involvement and official party sources have confirmed that they had originally declined to be involved. Thus, the use of their name by AEI is not legitimate . It is also important to mention that Baluchistan United Front’s official policy is to foster an independent Baloch province within a Federalist Iran. Information about the other groups planning to attend the conference is found below.

Dr. Ali Al Taie is a sociology professor at Shaw University in the United States. Mr. Taie is the author of The Arabs of Khuzestan and Iran: A socio-political History, both of which promote separatist ideologies regarding Ahwaz and Iran. Mr. Taie is also a prominent member of the Democratic Solidarity Party of Al-Ahwaz (English) . This group seeks the right to the self determination of the Arabic population situated in Ahwaz and Khuzestan Province.

The group's mandate states that they are seeking an Iranian government that will recognize the right of self determination of not only Arabs, but also Balouch, Azari, Turks, and Kurdish minorities. Thus, the group has never made it a secret that they want the separation of Khuzestan from Iran. Although the group has consistently

stated that they are peaceful, it is extremely difficult to imagine how such event could ever take place peacefully considering the nationalist sentiments of the Iranian people, including the Arabic minority. Not only has this group stated its intention of struggling for self determination, but they have also consistently encouraged other minority groups to fight for self determination as well. This goes further to show their separatist and non-Iranian views and intentions.

It is true that about 70% of the population of the Khuzestan province consists of Arabs, but that in no way indicates any intention of separation by this population. During the Iran-Iraq war Saddam Hussein tried very hard to take advantage of the Arab majority in Khuzestan, believing that they would join the Iraqis and fight against the Iranians. Saddam was sorely disappointed when the people of Khuzestan did everything they could to defend Iran and showed their true nationalist sentiments.

Rahim Shahbazi is a prominent member of the Azerbaijani Societies of North America and a known separatist. Mr. Shahbazi believes in the separation of Azarbaijan province from Iran and he has struggled continuously to achieve this goal. In an email Mr. Shahbazi wrote to an associate in March of 1999, he stated that he will fight until he has liberated South Azarbaijan from Iran and that he and that his “brothers and sisters” are just waiting for the right time before they attack the Persians and liberate Azarbaijan. Mr. Shahbazi’s intentions are clearly not aligned with the Iranian people and are directed towards separation of Azarbaijan from Iran.

Shahbazi comments against Iranians on a news group.

Mr. Morteza Esfandiari is a Washington representative of the Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan. The Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan is a separatist party that was formed on August 16, 1945. In 1946, the former Soviet Republic helped the party establish what was called the Republic of Kurdistan (or the Republic of Mahabad) in Iranian territory for approximately one year, after which it was crushed by Iranian forces when the soviets left. Although the party has been largely insignificant since 1947, its legitimacy is believed to be increasing through clandestine support by opponents of Iran. Mr. Morteza Esfandiari is a relative unknown. Aside from being invited by AEI as a panellist, he has also recently been quoted in the news media on various Kurdish issues in the Middle East. It is also important to note that the party does not recognize the Iranian flag. Instead, the party boasts its own national flag which is used by other Kurdish separatist groups as well. Much of this information can be found on their website.

All three parties have consistently complained about the human rights abuses faced by their respective populations at the hands of the Islamic Regime in Iran (IRI) and they have come to the conclusion that the only solution is a separatist movement leading to self determination. The parties state that the IRI does not represent the minorities in Iran, yet it fails to mention that only 10% of the Iranian population supports the present regime. Therefore, the government is not the representative of Iranians as a whole. It has violated the rights of women, children, students, activists, and journalist regardless of their ethnicity. This brutal regime has never represented the Iranian people who have always embraced each other regardless of ethnicity or religion throughout history.

While it is totally legitimate to struggle to bring a democratic government to Iran that will protect the social, political, cultural, and economical rights of all Iranians, the actions of the Democratic Solidarity Party of Al Ahwaz, Azerbaijani Societies of North America, and Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan have crossed an unacceptable line and moved into separatist movements that will not be tolerated by the Iranian people as a whole.

By: Setare Kaviyan is the Director of Human Rights Committee of the Marze Por Gohar Party, Iranians for a Secular and Ruzbeh Hosseini.

Please take a moment sign the petition linked below and protest AEI's conference. http://www.petitiononline.com/O4N7L2Y6/petition.html
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:29 am    Post subject: who's selling my country this time? Reply with quote

since my last post is deleted, I'll try to put it in a nicer way! if I may?

Business As Usual in Certain Institutes

There will always be some Political Prostitutes who would easily sell themselves and their country.

that's beside the point. the point is: there are always "Institutes" who would "Introduce" such "Political Prostitutes" Around. works just like normal prostitution only these guys don't ware as many jwels! Razz


there is a term for it, but unfortunately the code of ethics in the site can't bare that term be used for certain institutes.

although it's perfectly fine for dr. HH to post a letter to president full of those terms lol

it's ok, women always pay the price first. we're used to it.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

first of, Ledeen's excuse that he only wants to introduce the American people to the ethnic diversity of Iran is bogus, simply because he didn't even begin to tackle the diversity! 2-3 groups with uncertain political agenda is not it. were the ethnics of Northern Iran not worthy enough for him? (Mazandaran people: the Tabari, and Gilan: the Deilami). how about Turkmans? or the Lur?

it's pretty clear that what intrigued him was the separatist ideology presented by these few people. he should have the guts to admit it.

and if he were to call upon the true representatives of Iran's ethnic groups to this meeting, they would shove the papers down the separatists' mouth right in front of the camera. and be done with it. lol no wonder he's scared to invite anyone else. although he better beef up the security anyways.
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These guys can push for seperation all their lives and at the end wont even manage to separate their own mother and the rest of villegers from Iran. I challege them to just spill out the word separation in downtown Tabriz, or Kermanshah, or Ahvaz or anywhere else for that matter, and see if they will live to tell their boss about it.

those who started and continue to fund such tiny groups of separatists, have obviously not lived in those regions. or they would know how they are being mislead just for the money.

even if they push all this to its furthest limit, they will have a tiny group having to fight the people of their own ethnicity, and ofcourse be defeated at the end.

but this is not the way the brits go about their plans. when was the last time they took over any nation fare and square? they will indeed use all the tricks in the book to get there.

at the end we will make them fight fare and square like the Americans did. and we'll see how the Arabs will rip them apart, in no time.



Shotor dar KHaab binad panbe daaneh! lol

mage 70 million mordan ke irano tajzie konid.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:58 am    Post subject: Re: who's selling my country this time? Reply with quote

Liberty Now ! wrote:
since my last post is deleted, I'll try to put it in a nicer way! if I may?

Business As Usual in Certain Institutes

There will always be some Political Prostitutes who would easily sell themselves and their country.

that's beside the point. the point is: there are always "Institutes" who would "Introduce" such "Political Prostitutes" Around. works just like normal prostitution only these guys don't ware as many jwels! Razz


there is a term for it, but unfortunately the code of ethics in the site can't bare that term be used for certain institutes.

although it's perfectly fine for dr. HH to post a letter to president full of those terms lol

it's ok, women always pay the price first. we're used to it.


You can start your own thread and say the above but in other member thread is not a right thing.
If espandyar objects to your post then I will delete it.
"HH to post a letter to president full of those terms"
It is a new thread and if I receive an objection then I will delete it.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Espandyar actually loved the previous post you've deleted. I'm sure he's delighted to see my comments. Wink not to worry.

(in case it may be problematic for good muslim women to say stuff like 'political prostitution', I assure you that I don't aspire to be a "good" woman, nor a muslim. and not even a court order from IRI judiciary would make any difference. lol. there u have it dear.)
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"While it is totally legitimate to struggle to bring a democratic government to Iran that will protect the social, political, cultural, and economical rights of all Iranians, the actions of the Democratic Solidarity Party of Al Ahwaz, Azerbaijani Societies of North America, and Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan have crossed an unacceptable line and moved into separatist movements that will not be tolerated by the Iranian people as a whole."

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Well, it seems like the problem and the solution have been defined in the same paragraph at the same time.

The solution being obviously to give them reason to become a part of the larger opposition in support of a democratic government that will make it unneccessary for their separitist cause once the IRI is toast, because they will have gained proper representation and protection of civil liberties in such a future government structure.

So then it is up to the greater collective opposition to provide some measure of assurance that they can have confidence of this positive outcome being guranteed if the opposition as a whole is succesful in freeing Iran.

I'm not saying this will be an easy task, but then, changing mindsets never is.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

point taken oppie,

but if this is the REASON, then it would make MORE SENSE to first INVITE the major Opposition groups to sit together, and then go look for tiny ISOLATED groups to join that UNITED OPPOSITION!

and weather all of the opposition leaders, or reps, would join or not is beside the point. although many would. the tiny isolated groups may also not join either. so.


Besides, why would the Major Opposition even want to accept tiny separatist groups as legitimate? just because they know how to blow bombs and many people with it?

The Democratic Party of Kurdistan, maybe able to get legitimacy from Iranians only because they've Officially Dennounced Separation.
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the reason we (most Iranians) are so mad at certain "political prostitute" figures, or groups has it's roots in our recent history and their backstabs at the very heart of our motherland and nationhood.

the last one of such betrayals just KILLED WHAT WAS SUPPOSE TO BE IRAN'S VELVET REVOLUTION.

REMEMBER?

THE STUDENT MOVEMENT WAS AS STRONG AND WIDE SPREAD AS ANY SUCH REVOLUTION...

YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO IT?

IT WAS BETRAYED!

BY POLITICAL PROSTITUTES.

unfortunately they come in all shapes and sizes, and are everywhere! and they manage to get funds and support from the west every single time, and somehow this story repeats itself.

IT'S TIME WEST STOPS RECRUITING POLITICAL PROSTITUTES AND SUPPORT THE NATIONALISTIC VOICES OF DEMOCRACY.

you've mentioned Lebanon. Can you tell me, compare to the money and support given to the youth in Lebanon, what type of support did our student movement get?

I tell you what. ZIP. On the other hand, the so called reformist bunch and the whole bogus of reform was easily bought and supported by the West. both U.S and EU.

so don't hit us on the head with Lebanon and Ukraine's revolution. ok?

go in bed with political prostitutes of all types and figure out how they can betray the next movement in Iran!

what U.S president says, and what we see happen over there inside Iran don't add up. somebody's fooling somebody here.

either the "reformists" managed to fool U.S, or they are both fooling the students and youth of Iran.

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I can easily prove that it's not the first case. how?
because if U.S was fooled by the reformists who betrayed Student movment, then they would do a study and find out what happened and change their tactic.

we don't see any changes. they are courting another group of political prostitutes, which may very well be linked to IRI again. the separatists.

either U.S just wont learn any lessons from the past mistakes, or we'll have to assume the second option holds true.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"but if this is the REASON, then it would make MORE SENSE to first INVITE the major Opposition groups to sit together, and then go look for tiny ISOLATED groups to join that UNITED OPPOSITION!"
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That's a work in progress.

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"Besides, why would the Major Opposition even want to accept tiny separatist groups as legitimate? just because they know how to blow bombs and many people with it? "
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Any group involved in terrorism is not legitimate, nor should be afforded any respect.

However there is no evidence to suggest that this is the case with the groups that may, or may not be present at the AEI meeting. At least none that I know of.

What is important is a having a sense of inclusiveness in Iran's future. this is what I was talking about in a change of mindset.

Iranians for the most part (aside from those diehard Islamists that consider the Persian culture as "unIslamic", and unworthy thereby) consider Cyrus the great's precepts to be a source of pride and heritage.

Thing about Cyrus is that he based his empire on a sense of inclusiveness between various ethnic and cultural societies....that's what made his legacy something to be proud of.

Now if a future Iran is going to act in honor of those precepts, and take the best of that cultural heritage into a future Iranian society, then it is on that basis that the opposition accept diversity within its ranks, as brothers in arms.

No doubt minsets will have to change among all parties for this to be fully matured in implementation and practice.

But I don't see this as some unresolvable issue that needs to fester after the IRI is dead and buried as a political system.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:55 pm    Post subject: clean up your mess first. Reply with quote

so now that western politicians know the one thing that binds Iranians from different groups and religions together is the persian culture or Cyrus the great, or better yet the Shared History and culture...

is that why they are BANNING the History of Persian Empire from Textbooks now? (what a crazy thing to do by the way)

http://activistchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7102

you see, none of your policies make any sense. It always CONTRADICTS itself.

How is any nation to trust the western policies then?

what the youth of Iran are to think about such enemocity with Persian Heritage and History?

How do you expect them to trust any American policy or count on your support?

it's a big mess. it's not worthy of trust.

unless otherwise is proven.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems in most Iranian's minds Khatami betrayed them in promising reform that was never delivered, nor meant to be...so in that sense all those Iranians who were taken in to think that a reform of the regime was possible were in fact badly fooled by their own leadership.

Now the west saw what it considered "movement: toward rform, and there was a window of more cooperative diplomacy between the US and Iran around the time of the Bonn conference in late 2001. But by mid 2002 that had been slammed shut by the regime, as it engaged in continued interference in Afghan affairs, it's continued support for Palestinian terrorist groups, hisballah and others.

The regime itself slammed the door on reform in the parlimentary elections in 2003, and completed locking the door in this last election in June 2005.

referendum is a dead issue as long as the regime is in power, it won't happen. There was still faint hope of this as late as last year, but no one is talking about "regime change" in any other sense that "regime replacement" in totality.

So, that being the case among the opposition, the west struggles with how to get there from here, without a war.

If you were to describe all the diplomatic pressure the IRI is under right now as the product of "Political prostitutes" then you would be flat wrong.

Diplomacy is something that takes time, is not ever a certainty of being successful, and engaging in diplomacy is an ethical necessity for to do away with it is to open the way for military solutions, and a whole different set of problems inherent in the failure of diplomacy.

It may not seem logical to you, but then I really don't expect you to change your fixated mindset...as you continue to blame the west for every problem that exists in Iran.

Just as you would illogicly associate a publisher's decision (incorrect as it is) with government's foreign policy decisions.

But you are a well known aficianado of conspiracy theory, and so it is quite logical for you to make this totally erroneous leap of assumption.

In any case, this thread was about a few groups with separist intent...it seems you have no intent to explore further a solution to it, because inherently that solution is one of an internal Iranian matter.

There is no proof that the Brits or any other government is backing their agenda...yet you would regurgitate the IRI's claims to this effect.

Why do you persist on supporting the regime's propaganda?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just soooo love the regime. that's why. lol

when I say the so called reform, it means that I know, all Iraninans know that it's bogus. I for one knew it from the start. for those inside Iran, it was a choice between khamenei and khatami. and they wanted more freedom. they also knew these phonies will prolong the regime. they used them too to take to the streets and denounce the regime.

but the question is, where was the support when they did take to the streets in large numbers?

and if there aren't any support, then you are in no position to condemn the movement for not being able to push it towards a velvet revolution and do as the labanese or Ukrainians did.

that was the main point of my post. you can't even compare the fascist situation and military suppression in Iran with that of lebanon or Ukraine.

see if a group of western women dare to enter Iran without head scarf! and try to appreciate how those Iranian woman took off their veils knowing the consequences.

is there not even ONE western representative to show support for women's struggle and refuse to wear islamic veil (their Human Right by the way) when going to Iran in diplomatic mission? what's up with those like christian merry robinson wearing hijab and courting fascist ayatollahs like rafsanjani? people in Iran see these as a firm support for IRI by the west.

there are british intelligence operatives by the way who were seen inside the notorious Evin prison wearing the full lenth Black chador! what's up with that?

what's up with supporting separatist groups, and only speaking of support for uprisings when it's long gone and over with and suppressed?

it's quite convenient for Mr. president to say rise up, we support you. when this should be said when the movement was going ahead full force.

thanks for the support but no thanks! I don't think anyone inside Iran counts on any western support, they just hope you wont continue to fall for psudo reformists and the likes. and court them at a time an uprising is going on!

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as far as the separatist groups, yes they are supported, even funded, by britain. one of them is a group called British - Ahvazi Friendship! (tratorship more like it) funded by the brits, and OPENLY PROMOTES SEPARATION OF KHOUZESTAN the Oil rich province. via sattelite programs they send to Iran constantly.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

then you are in no position to condemn the movement for not being able to push it towards a velvet revolution and do as the labanese or Ukrainians did.
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Point is Liberty, I never "condemned" the opposition, I have however pointed out a number of times the divisions and personality conflicts within it that have made it harder for it to be effective. And that is an internal issue, not influenced by other nations.

Also, if I did have any general comparison with other popular uprisings, it was the fact that they had the moral support of nations....Lebanon for instance had a UN resolution backing their independance from Syria....a totally different set of circumstance than in Iran....so don't be putting words in my mouth.

"when I say the so called reform, it means that I know, all Iraninans know that it's bogus."

Iranians didn't think so at the time for the most part, and neither did the west....so if you take a look back through US gov archives, you'll find that Clinton imposed pretty strict sanctions, voiced support for the "reform movement", and Bush has stated for a number of years now his support for the Iranian people. Congress has been re-introducing the Iran Freedom and Support Act, every year since 2003 , maybe earlier....but as this is a democracy...it is hard to have consensus sometimes....and as well, the regime itself tended to try and influence members of Congress.

"there are british intelligence operatives by the way who were seen inside the notorious Evin prison wearing the full lenth Black chador! what's up with that? "

You sure they wern't Russian? Post some evidence one of these days for your accusations, and then folks may take you seriously, including MI5.

"as far as the separatist groups, yes they are supported, even funded, by britain. one of them is a group called British - Ahvazi Friendship! (tratorship more like it) funded by the brits, and OPENLY PROMOTES SEPARATION OF KHOUZESTAN the Oil rich province. via sattelite programs they send to Iran constantly."

They have a website I can take a look at? If so post it, again I like empirical proof I can reach out and touch.

Cyrus has asked you to post fact instead of fantasy, so now's your chance...
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those who should know, do know them. and will keep an eye on them. don't you worry.
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here's the British Ahvazi Friendship Society (BAFS)
talk about spooky names

Chairman: Daniel Brett [ MI 007 lol ]

http://www.ahwaz.org.uk/about.html

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About British Ahwazi Friendship Society

The British Ahwazi Friendship Society was set up to promote solidarity and understanding between THE UK and the Ahwazi people! , the indigenous Arabs of Khuzestan in Iran.

(Like thesolidarity and understanding between UK & SHEIKH KHAZ'AL !!
how about you people?
I should post the story of sheikh khaz'az the brit's prostitute next.)

Working with civil society organisations, the BAFS lobbies the British parliament, the European Union Exclamation and the United Nations to bring attention to the plight of the Ahwazis. We work in partnership with democratic secularist Ahwazi groups, including the Ahwaz Studies Centre, the Ahwaz Human Rights Group and the Democratic Solidarity Party of Al-Ahwaz.

We also aim to bring education and skills to the Ahwazi diaspora, particularly in the UK, which is home to 3,000 Ahwazi Arabs. Our main focus is promoting an independent Ahwazi media by channelling grants to the Al-Ahwaz satellite television station and training Ahwazis in broadcast and print journalism.

british ahwazi friendship society
P.O Box 2397
London, W8 4ZS
UK
info@ahwaz.org.uk


This "AL" ahvaz Station continually advocades Independent Arabistan!
appreciate it if some of you could post video or prints of their activity. thanks.


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X-MEK Denies IRI Intelligence Link: (so much denials these days lol)
http://activistchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=25761#25761
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by the way oppie, the black veiled british agent in Evin, was mentioned by her full name in Rangarang Tv interview with an X-MEK Agent, last night.
next time I'll be more prepared to jot down the facts. I know. my mistake.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:52 pm    Post subject: it's Kouzestan stupid! will always be Khouzestan/Iran. Reply with quote

IT'S KHOUZESTAN OF IRAN NOT ARABISTAN IDIOTS!


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In June 2000, the Canadian Immigration and Refugee Board reported, “Nations Without States states that the capital of Arabistan is Ahvaz (Ahwaz) and that 2,977,000 of a total population of 3,165,000 Arabistanis, live in Iran (ibid.).
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In further information:

Location: Arabistan lies in southwestern Iran, a lowland region forming part of Tigris-Euphrates Valley between the Iraqi border and the Zargos Mountains at the head of the Persian Gulf.

Political Status: Arabistan has no official status; the region called Arabistan by nationalists forms the province of Khuzestan in the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Flag: The Arabistani flag, the flag of the national movement, is a vertical tricolor of red, white, and black bearing a centred green, five-pointed star surrounded by a green circle.

People: The Arabistanis are a Semetic Arab people made up of thirty tribal groups that are ethnically and culturally related to the Arab peoples to the west but are not closely related to Iran's majority Aryan population. The Arabistanis, who speak an Arabic dialect with a marked Farsi (Iranian admixture), are mostly Shia Muslims, adhering to the branch of Islam predominant in Iran, with a Sunni Muslim minority concentrated in the coastal areas. ...


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A 21 April 2000 report from the Iraqi newspaper Al-Iraq contains information on a group called the Arab Front for the Liberation of Ahvaz (AFLA) that "organized a ceremony [in Iraq] marking the 75th anniversary of the occupation of Ahvaz and the 19th anniversary of its inception." The ceremony included speeches by the AFLA secretary general and another on behalf of the Arab Socialist Ba'th Party (ibid.). The latter considered the AFLA inception a historic event in the life of our Arab people in Ahvaz, who have expressed their determination to continue with their quest for resurgence and liberation....


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The Party of the Arab Al-Ahwazi Movement (aka Hizba al-Nahdah al-Arabi al-Ahwazi) has taken credit for the 12 June bombings in Ahvaz, the British Ahwazi Friendship Society website (ahwaz.org.uk) reported on 13 June. However, British Ahwazi Friendship Society spokesman Nasser Ban-Assad dismissed on 13 June the ability of a small organization to carry out such an attack, ahwaz.org.uk reported. Instead, Ban-Assad said, the Iranian military set up the blasts in order to justify a preelection crackdown and the suppression of Arabs. He dismissed the possibility that the United States or United Kingdom would assist any Arab irredentists militarily. He added that it is unlikely that the Mujahedin Khalq Organization, an Iranian opposition organization based in Iraq, is behind the attacks. Ban-Assad referred dismissively to claims of responsibility for similar attacks in the past made by the Ahvaz Arab Renaissance Party after similar incidents in Iran in the past.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"IT'S KHOUZESTAN OF IRAN NOT ARABISTAN IDIOTS!"

Well, Liberty it is perhaps your opinion, but the text in quotes stated very clearly the history of the former designation...there's a lot of reason for anger (and thus the onus for separatism perhaps...but in the following I noted nothing at all said about separatism....oh, and if you think support for an "independant media" is support for separatism on the part of Brits....what it means is a media that is free, and not coerced, or influenced by the IRI.

The bottom line is when you have people treated like dogs, they will eventually bite, and this denial of inclusiveness has been going on a long time...so back to solutions....it is fundementally going to be a question of whether a future free Iran can not only provide a better future for these folks if it is to be successful, but today it is incumbent on the opposition in general to foster trust in such a future. Otherwise this situation will continue to haunt any efforts to free Iran, and make a solidarity neccessary to do so impossible.



For those readers who are looking for full context instead of "spin" the full text on the home page of Liberty's "proof" is included below.

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The Ahwazi Arabs are among the world's most persecuted minorities. While global attention is fixed on the Israel/Palestine conflict, the Ahwazis go unnoticed. The indigenous Arabs of Iran are gagged and are denied the right to learn their own language or publish their own newspapers. They live in poverty, their land ritually confiscated by the theocratic regime in Tehran for the profits of foreign oil companies and the enrichment of an ethnically Persian religious elite. Who will listen to the Ahwazi voice?

The Ahwazi people are estimated to number 4.5 million. They live mainly in Khuzestan, an autonomous emirate known as Arabistan before it was invaded by the Persian monarch Reza Shah in 1925.
Monarchist rule was followed by the theocratic rule of Ayatollah Khomenei following the 1979 Revolution. But for the Ahwazis, this did not change the campaign of ethnic cleansing and cultural repression against them and other minority groups in Iran, such as the Kurds, Balochs, Turkmen and Azeris.

Although the majority of Ahwazis are Shias, the Ahwazis' native language is Arabic, which sets them apart from Iran's Persian ruling class and makes them a target for persecution. Ahwazis also include Sunnis, Christians and Atheists, but there is no religious conflict within the group.

Ahwazis have been subjected to forced migration in an effort to “Persianise” Khuzestan and acquire its natural resources: fertile land and one of the world's largest oil and gas fields. Producing 90% of Iran’s oil, the Ahwazi homeland contains around 8% of the world’s oil reserves.

None of the wealth generated by oil extraction and the cultivation of cash crops such as sugar is distributed to the region's native Ahwazis. The Ahwazis remaining in Iran are landless and impoverished. Surveys suggest that around 50 per cent of Ahwazis in Iran live in absolute poverty and 80 per cent of Ahwazi children suffer malnutrition, while illiteracy and unemployment levels are well above the national average.

Khuzestan is also strategically important. Bordering Iraq's Basra province, the province was the scene of some of the worst fighting during the Iran-Iraq War of the 1980s. Around 30,000 Ahwazis fled for sanctuary in Iraq during the war. The 2003 Iraq War saw Ahwazi refugees forced out of their homes in Iraq, but with no option to return to their homeland.

Khuzestan remains one of Iran's most militarised provinces and is the spring-board for Iranian-backed terrorist activities in Iraq, including kidnappings, assassinations and bombings. The Ahwazi issue is therefore crucial to geopolitical stability and security in the Middle East.


About British Ahwazi Friendship Society

The British Ahwazi Friendship Society was set up to promote solidarity and understanding between the UK and the Ahwazi people, the indigenous Arabs of Khuzestan in Iran.

Working with civil society organisations, the BAFS lobbies the British parliament, the European Union and the United Nations to bring attention to the plight of the Ahwazis. We work in partnership with democratic secularist Ahwazi groups, including the Ahwaz Studies Centre, the Ahwaz Human Rights Group and the Democratic Solidarity Party of Al-Ahwaz.

We also aim to bring education and skills to the Ahwazi diaspora, particularly in the UK, which is home to 3,000 Ahwazi Arabs. Our main focus is promoting an independent Ahwazi media by channelling grants to the Al-Ahwaz satellite television station and training Ahwazis in broadcast and print journalism.

british ahwazi friendship society
P.O Box 2397
London, W8 4ZS
UK
info@ahwaz.org.uk
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