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sanane



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dear Azadeh:
Very interesting, when you confront this Diri with his inaccurate statements/lies,..his respons is "well it was rigged! what's your point!"
He doesn't get it, all of his "arajeef"/garbage that he writes here, no one is buying, he has no credibility. I basically ignore him.


Ingnore this people's ignorance Diri. This blank is as balnk as his nickname. He is an anti-muslim, monarchist, stupid guy. He only wants to replce Humayni with his Shah who is much more brutal than Humeyni. Shah has killed millions of Kurds and Azeris in the past and collobarated with US againist its own people. So, do nor give a **** to this person. I am not even sure that he has a relation with IRan or any opther middle eastern country!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dear Azadeh:
Very interesting, when you confront this Diri with his inaccurate statements/lies,..his respons is "well it was rigged! what's your point!"
He doesn't get it, all of his "arajeef"/garbage that he writes here, no one is buying, he has no credibility. I basically ignore him.


Ingnore this people's ignorance Diri. This blank is as balnk as his nickname. He is an anti-muslim, monarchist, stupid guy. He only wants to replce Humayni with his Shah who is much more brutal than Humeyni. Shah has killed millions of Kurds and Azeris in the past and collobarated with US againist its own people. So, do nor give a **** to this person. I am not even sure that he has a relation with IRan or any opther middle eastern country!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ingnore this people's ignorance Diri. This blank is as balnk as his nickname. He is an anti-muslim, monarchist, stupid guy. He only wants to replce Humayni with his Shah who is much more brutal than Humeyni. Shah has killed millions of Kurds and Azeris in the past and collobarated with US againist its own people. So, do nor give a **** to this person. I am not even sure that he has a relation with IRan or any opther middle eastern country!


Huh? Shah killed millions of Kurds and Azaris in the past and was much more brutal than Humeyni (sic)? Shocked

What planet did you come from?

Do you know the crimes of Khomeini and the brutality of his cohorts?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No it is true, Sanane, you are right... The Shah was not an angel.. He murdered Kurds and Azeris through out his reign... He only supported those who were his sheep... Kurds and Azerîs have been the most targeted... But specially Kurds - Because we are Sunni, we have tribal lifestyle, we are very traditional and deep roots... And when Xomeyni came to power he issued a Fatwa that ALL Kurds could be RAPED and KILLED because we were infidels... HOW SICK ISN'T THAT??? MERG BER XOMEYNI! THAT PRICK!

And about the Shah - He was twisting Kurds and Azeri around his little finger - and he killed all that disagreed with him...

See the Persian leaders have done nothing but evil... First there was the Shah who was anti muslim and fascist - he killed and tortured thousands with Sawak and then there was Xomeyni who was a anti Islam and fascist - he killed and tortured MILLIONS and SENT FATWA TO RAPE ALL KURDS!


When this IRI falls - we will need DEMOCRACY! And we will not accept being second-class citizens... Kurds and Azerî in reality deserve independence - but I will settle for a DEMOCRATIC FEDERAL IRAN... One in which the President and Prime Minister (and other goverment officials) can be Kurd or Azeri or Fars... There are THREE large ethinicities in Iran - Azeris make up the largest with 45 % of the population, Kurds with 20-25 % and Fars with 15-20 % of the population... These are the realities on the ground... the reason there are so few Fars is clear - most have fled Iran and now reside in other part of the Middle East of in the West... And if you go to Tehran you will quickly learn that 90% of the prostitutes are Fars who have run away from home as act of rebellion... - Yes these are BIG words Rolling Eyes but I am pretty sure this is how things are... I am convinced that they are...

But anyway... Islam is a GOOD religion with RESPECT for human lives and human dignity... Here is a site you disbelivers can read and learn from... It clears up all the misconceptions about Islam - all the lies made up by the mullahs - About women being less worth and about other falshoods... www.submission.org

Islam is the religion of the LAST TESTAMENT!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Attention Admin.
Azeriwarrior is back under a new name "Sanane" another Turkish name. These two; Diri, Sanane are spaming this site with lies and Islamist propaganda. A very typical of IRI revolutionaries
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They are here to promote islam, hate speech, and spread lies about Shah & insult Monarchist. I respectfully request that you bann these two from this site.

Thank you.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Attention Admin - Blank has NO clue as to what he/she is saying... "Anti monarchist" ? "Typical IRI revolutionaries" ?

Excuse me! But first of all - I HATE THE IRI AS MUCH AS I DESPISE THE SHAH - and THAT my dear "compatriot" is my RIGHT!

- I wasn't aware that this site was ONLY for Monarchists... I thought there was a BIGGER PICTURE AT LARGE - Like FREEING IRAN - COMING TOGETHER TO SETTLE OUR DIFFERENCES - AND BUILD TRUST! But no - It seems YOU are here to destroy the efforts we make to reach out...


You are so consumed in your lies and egosentric views that you FAIL to see the grand picture... UNITY AGAINST THE HORRORS OF THE IRI!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bigger picture is Iran, not islamist fascists like these two. Every topic they post in here is to distract from Iran and to promote their own separatist/islamic agenda.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But anyway... Islam is a GOOD religion with RESPECT for human lives and human dignity... Here is a site you disbelivers can read and learn from... It clears up all the misconceptions about Islam - all the lies made up by the mullahs - About women being less worth and about other falshoods... www.submission.org

Islam is the religion of the LAST TESTAMENT!


3:85, If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost.

3:151
We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

8:60
And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to terrorize thereby the enemy of Allah

8:12
I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.


2:193, And fight them on until there is no more Fitna and all faith belongs to Allah.

2:216, Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you

3:28, Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah

4:48 “Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.”

4:84, Then fight in Allah’s cause - Thou art held responsible only for thyself - and rouse the believers. It may be that Allah will restrain the fury of the Unbelievers; for Allah is the strongest in might and in punishment.

4:141, And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumphs) over the believers

5:33, The punishment of those who war with Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world,,/b. and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

8:12, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,”


8:15-16, O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostility, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!

8:17, It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah: when thou threwest (a handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah’s: in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself

8:60, Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

8:65, O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers

9:5, But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.

9:3, And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.

9:14, Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,

9:23, O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love kufr above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.

9:28, O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque.

9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

9:39, Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least.

9:73, O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.

9:111, Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an

9:123, O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird around you, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

22:19-22; These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), “Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!”

25:52, So obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them herewith with a great endeavour.

25:68 ”Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. “(But) the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to him, and he will dwell therein in ignominy,-

37:22-23, “Bring ye up”, it shall be said, “The wrong-doers and their wives, and the things they worshipped- Besides Allah, and lead them to the Way to the Fire!

47:4, Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.

48:13 And if any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!


48:29, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.

69:30-37 (The stern command will say): “Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin.”


2:223 Your women are a tilth for you (note: a tilth is a farming field to to cultivate produce) so go to your tilt as ye will, and send before you for your souls, and fear Allah, and know that ye will meet Him. Give glad tidings to believers,

2:228, And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree above them


2:282, and get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her.

4:3, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

4:11-12, Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females:

4:24 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess.

4:34, Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath given one more than the other, and because they spend of their property. So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and beat them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

23:1-7 The believers must win through, 2]Those who humble themselves in their prayers; 3] Who avoid vain talk; 4] Who are active in deeds of charity; 5] Who abstain from sex, 6] Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame, :7] But those whose desires exceed those limits are transgressors;-

4:24 “And all married women (are forbidden unto you) except those (captives) whom your right hands possess.”

33:50 O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

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5.38
As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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:85, If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost.

3:151
We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

8:60
And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to terrorize thereby the enemy of Allah

8:12
I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.


2:193, And fight them on until there is no more Fitna and all faith belongs to Allah.

2:216, Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you

3:28, Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah

4:48 “Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.”

4:84, Then fight in Allah’s cause - Thou art held responsible only for thyself - and rouse the believers. It may be that Allah will restrain the fury of the Unbelievers; for Allah is the strongest in might and in punishment.

4:141, And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumphs) over the believers

5:33, The punishment of those who war with Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world,,/b. and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

8:12, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,”


8:15-16, O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostility, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!

8:17, It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah: when thou threwest (a handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah’s: in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself

8:60, Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

8:65, O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers

9:5, But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.

9:3, And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.

9:14, Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,

9:23, O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love kufr above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.

9:28, O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque.

9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

9:39, Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least.

9:73, O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.

9:111, Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an

9:123, O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird around you, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

22:19-22; These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), “Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!”

25:52, So obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them herewith with a great endeavour.

25:68 ”Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. “(But) the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to him, and he will dwell therein in ignominy,-

37:22-23, “Bring ye up”, it shall be said, “The wrong-doers and their wives, and the things they worshipped- Besides Allah, and lead them to the Way to the Fire!

47:4, Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.

48:13 And if any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!


48:29, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.

69:30-37 (The stern command will say): “Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin.”


2:223 Your women are a tilth for you (note: a tilth is a farming field to to cultivate produce) so go to your tilt as ye will, and send before you for your souls, and fear Allah, and know that ye will meet Him. Give glad tidings to believers,

2:228, And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree above them


2:282, and get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her.

4:3, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

4:11-12, Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females:

4:24 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess.

4:34, Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath given one more than the other, and because they spend of their property. So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and beat them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

23:1-7 The believers must win through, 2]Those who humble themselves in their prayers; 3] Who avoid vain talk; 4] Who are active in deeds of charity; 5] Who abstain from sex, 6] Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame, :7] But those whose desires exceed those limits are transgressors;-

4:24 “And all married women (are forbidden unto you) except those (captives) whom your right hands possess.”

33:50 O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

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Copy and pasting from anti-muslim racist sites. Do you think that will work? That does not work even in Iran. You have no support in Iran and still you think you can replece yout bloodthirsty Shah.

Alos, reading passages out of text does not work for me.




HUMAN RIGHTS IN ISLAM
WAMY Series on Islam No. 10

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Since God is the absolute and the sole master of men and the universe, and since He has given each man human dignity and honor, and breathed into him of His own spirit, it follows that men are essentially the same. In fact, the only differences between them are such artificial ones as nationality, color, or race. Thus, all human beings are equal and form one universal community that is united in its submission and obedience to God. And at the center of this universal brotherhood is the Islamic confession of the oneness of God that, by extension, includes the oneness and brotherhood of humanity An Islamic state may be established anywhere. While the state is geographically limited, the human rights and privileges granted to humanity by God are not. The Qur'an states that these are universal and fundamental, and that all individuals are to enjoy and observe them under all circumstances-including war-regardless of whether he is living in the geographical confines of an Islamic state or not:

O believers, tee you securers of justice, witness for God. Let not detestation for a people move you not to be equitable; be equitable-that is nearer to God-fearing. (5:Cool
Human blood is sacred in any case and cannot be spilled without justification. Violating this rule is equivalent to killing all of humanity:
Whose slays a soul not to retaliate for a soul slain, nor for corruption done in the land, should be as if he had slain mankind altogether.
It is not permissible to oppress women, children, old people, the sick or the wounded. Women's honor and chastity are to be respected under all circumstances. The hungry must be fed, the naked clothed, and the wounded or diseased given medical treatment regardless of their pro- or anti-Muslim sentiments and activities.
In Islam, human rights are granted by God, not by kings or legislative assemblies, and therefore they can never be taken away or changed, even temporarily, for any reason. They are meant to be put into practice and lived, not to stay on paper or in the realm of unenforceable philosophical concepts or United Nation declarations. Every Muslim is required to accept them and recognize the people's right to have them enforced and obeyed. The Qur'an states that: Those who do not judge by what God has sent down are the disbelievers (5:44).


Human Rights in an Islamic State
The Security of Life and Property:
In the Prophet's address during his final pilgrimage, he said: "Your lives and properties are forbidden to one another till you meet your Lord on the Day of Resurrection." He also said: "One who kills a man under covenant (i.e., a non Muslim citizen of a Muslim land) will not even smell the fragrance of Paradise."


The Protection of Honor:

The Qur'an does not allow one's personal honor to be abused: O You who believe, do not let one set of people make fun of another set. Do not defame one another Do not insult by using nicknames. Do not backbite or spear? ill of one another (49: 1 1-121.


Sanctity and Security of Private Life:

The Qur'an guarantees privacy Do not spy on one another and Do not enter any houses unless you are sure of their occupant's consent.


The Security of Personal Freedom:

Islam prohibits the imprisonment of any individual before his guilt has been proven before a public court. This means that the accused has the right to defend himself and to expect fair and impartial treatment from the court.


The Right to Protest against Tyranny:

This is mentioned clearly in the Qur'an: God does not love evil talk in public unless it is by some one who has been injured thereby. In Islam, as has been stated earlier, an individual's power and authority is a trust from God. This is an awesome responsibility for a person, for he must use this trust in a way that is acceptable to God or else suffer the consequences. This was acknowledged by Abu Bakr, who said in his very first address: "Cooperate with me when I am right, and correct me when I commit error. Obey me so long as I follow the commandments of Allah and His Prophet, but turn away from me when I deviate."


Freedom of Expression:

Islam allows complete freedom of thought and expression, provided that it does not involve spreading that which is harmful to individuals and the society at large. For example, the use of abusive or offensive language in the name of criticism is not allowed. In the days of the Prophet, the Muslims used to ask him about certain matters. If he had received no revelation on that particular issue, they were free to express their personal opinions.


Freedom of Association:

The formation of associations, parties, and organizations is allowed, on the understanding that they abide by certain general rules.


Freedom of Conscience and Conviction:

The Qur'an states: There should be no coercion in the matter of faith. Totalitarian societies of all ages have tried to deprive individuals of their freedom by subordinating them to state authority This condition is equivalent to slavery, the only difference being that physical slavery has been replaced by mechanisms of control that allow the individual no freedom of choice Islam forbids such a practice.


Protection of Religious Sentiments:

Along with the freedom of conviction and freedom of conscience, Islam guarantees to the individual that his religious sentiments will be given due respect and the nothing will be said or done which may encroach upon his right.


Protection from Arbitrary Imprisonment:

Islam states that each individual is responsible only for his own actions. Therefore, he cannot be arrested and imprisoned for the offenses of someone else. We read in the Qur'an: No bearer of burdens shall be made to bear the burden of another.


The Right to Basic Necessities of Life:

Islam recognizes the right of the needy to demand help from those who are more fortunate: And in their wealth there is acknowledge right for the needy and the destitute.


Equality Before the Law:

Islam gives its citizens the right to absolute and complete equality in the eyes of the law.


Rulers Are Not Above the Law:

According to the Islamic concept of justice, absolutely no one is above the law, for all men are equal. This point was made in a very dramatic fashion by the Prophet himself. One day, a woman belonging to a high and noble family was arrested in connection with a theft. The case was brought to the Prophet with the recommendation that she be spared the mandated punishment for theft (amputation of the hand). The Prophet replied: "The nations that lived before you were destroyed by God because they punished the common man for their offenses and let their dignitaries go unpunished for their crimes. I swear by Him Who holds my life in His hand that even if Fatima, the daughter of Muhammad, had committed this crime, I would have amputated her hand."


The Right to Participate in the Affairs of State:

In the Qur'an, we find the statement And their business is (conducted) through consultation among themselves (42:3Cool. This procedure is known as shura, which is usually translated as "consultation." In practice, it means that the executive head of the government and the members of the assembly should be elected by free and independent choice of the people. However, the leader is not bound to follow the decision that results from this deliberation.

Lastly, Islam seeks to achieve the above-mentioned human rights and many others through the provision of certain legal safeguards, but primarily through calling upon individuals to transcend their lower animal-like instincts so that they can go beyond mere ties fostered by the kinship of blood, racial superiority, linguistic arrogance, and economic privilege Islam urges man to move on to a plane of existence where, by reason of his inner excellence, he can realize the ideal of the brotherhood of man.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bravo my dear friend!

These words were the wisest so far in the discussion! Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Copy and pasting from anti-muslim racist sites. Do you think that will work? That does not work even in Iran. You have no support in Iran and still you think you can replece yout bloodthirsty Shah.

Alos, reading passages out of text does not work for me.


Are you on drug?

This tells you how out of touch with reality some Muslims really are. I didn't take those verses from some "anti-Muslim racist site". I copied and pasted from the Muslim Student's Association of The University of Southern California!!! They have a very useful index to the Quran from three of the most famous Quranic translators: Yusufali, Shakir, and Pickthal.

You can also find verses if you know their specific number. For example, if I want a link to verse 3:85 of the Quran, I click on the link to any verse and then subsitute the Surah and Aya number that I want in the search toolbar. Forexample, if I want verse 5:38, I would type in 005 and 005.038 respectively. Like this:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.038

And it scrolls down to that verse for you:

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005.038
YUSUFALI: As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power.
PICKTHAL: As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. It is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from Allah. Allah is Mighty, Wise.
SHAKIR: And (as for) the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands as a punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.


I wrote:

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5.38
As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power.


Islam is a terrorist hateful cult. The Quran is a terrorist hateful religion. The verses I wrote are directly from the Quran as translated by the world's most respected translators of the Quran.

Don't shoot the messenger. Pick up a copy of the Quran and read it for yourself. It's everybit the terrorist hateful book it is made out to be.

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You have no support in Iran and still you think you can replece yout bloodthirsty Shah.


You seem clueless about much of everything (let alone about what goes on in Iran-a country that you know nothing about). You think Pickthall, Shakir, and Yusufali are racist Muslim haters!

Abdullah Yusufali's autobiography can be found here:

http://www.afkar.com/yusuf.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Yusuf_Ali

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Abdullah Yusuf Ali
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Abdullah Yusuf Ali (1872-1952) was born in Bombay, India, to a wealthy merchant family. As a child, Yusuf Ali received a religious education and, eventually, could recite the entire Qur'an from memory. He learned Arabic and English, and could speak both languages fluently.

Yusuf Ali studied English literature and visited several European countries as a student. He concentrated his efforts on the Qur'an and studied the Qur'anic commentaries beginning with those written in early days of Islamic history. Yusuf Ali's most important work was his book The Holy Qur'an: Text, Translation and Commentary, published in 1934.

Yusuf Ali was an outspoken supporter of the Indian contribution to the Allied effort in World War I. He was a respected intellectual in India and Sir Muhammad Iqbal recruited him to be the principal of Islamia College, Lahore. Later in life, he went to England and is buried in the Muslim cemetery at Brookwood, Surrey, near Woking, near another translator of the Qur'an, Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall.


Pickthall's biography:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Marmaduke_Pickthall

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(Mohammed) Marmaduke William Pickthall, (1875 - May 19, 1936), one of the most renowned Western Islamic scholars of all-time, noted as one of the most poetic and accurate translators of the Qur'an into English. A convert from Christianity to Islam, Pickthall was a passionate and articulate novelist, praised by the likes of D.H. Lawrence and H.G. Wells, prolific journalist, headmaster, and steadfast political and religious leader.

Born into a prestigious family, whose roots traced itself to a knight of William the Conqueror, Pickthall travelled across the plains and coastyards of many Eastern countries, forming a great reputation as one of the foremost Middle-Eastern scholars of his time. A strong and steadfast advocate of the Ottoman Empire, Pickthall devoted his time and attention to studying the mysteries of the Orient, publishing several highly informative articles and novels in regards to the subject. While under the service of the Nizam of Hyderabad, Pickthall published his celebrated translation of the Qur'an, becoming the first English translation to have been authorized by the Al-Azhar University, and earning the praise of the Times Literary Supplement as "a great literary achievement."

Pickthall was buried in the Muslim cemetery at Brookwood. His legacy lives on today, in the hearts and minds of today's new generation of Western Muslims, particularly converts to Islam, who consider him a father of the path they have undertaken.


I couldn't find Shakir's biography but I think he is an Egyptian who had ties to the Muslim Brotherhood group.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:35 am    Post subject: LA ELAHA ELLA ALLAH Reply with quote

[Quran 7:28] They commit a gross sin, then say,
"We found our parents doing this, and GOD
has commanded us to do it." Say,
"GOD never advocates sin.
Are you saying about GOD
what you do not know?"



While all the known religions of the world call for LOVE, PEACE, TOLERANCE, FREEDOM OF BELIEF AND MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING, many of the terrorists' acts are committed in this world by people who consider themselves religious.

[Quran 7:28] They commit a gross sin, then say, "We found our parents doing this, and GOD has commanded us to do it." Say, "GOD never advocates sin. Are you saying about GOD what you do not know?"

Like all the other religions of God, Islam (Submission in English) promotes peace, love and harmony among the people. Actually the word "Islam" in addition to meaning submission (to God), is also derived from the Arabic word Salam (peace). The Muslims (Submitters) greet other people by saying Salaam (Peace be upon you).

[Quran 49:13]"O people, we created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes, that you may recognize one another. The best among you in the sight of GOD is the most righteous. GOD is Omniscient, Cognizant. "

The religion of Islam (Submission in English), advocates freedom, peace and mutual agreement and admonishes aggression.

[Quran 5:87] ... and do not aggress; GOD dislikes the aggressors.

[Quran: 7:199] ......You shall resort to pardon, advocate tolerance, and disregard the ignorant.

The relations of Muslims (Submitters) with others are based primarily on peace, mutual respect and trust. The theme in the Quran is peace as long as there is no oppression or injustice that cannot be resolved by all the peaceful means available.

The religion of Islam forbids the killing of innocent people, irrespective of the cause - religious, political or social beliefs.

Quran, the Muslims' holy book and scripture declares;

[Quran 6:151] "...... You shall not kill - GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. These are His commandments to you, that you may understand."

[Quran17:33] "You shall not kill any person - for GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. ....."

The laws of the previous scriptures that applied to previous generations and current generation are repeated and emphasied for the Muslims (Submitters) in the Quran. Muslims (Submitters) are commanded to follow such laws. Quran reiterates ;.

[Quran 5:32] "......, we decreed for the Children of Israel that anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people. .............."

The religion of Islam condemns the killing or even the persecution of people merely because they embrace a different religion. The Quran mandates the absolute freedom of religion in a society. It does not allow Muslims to fight except for self defense and to enforce peace. It does not allow restrictions on those who disagree on religious matters. It urges the Muslims to treat such people kindly and equitably:

[Quran 2:256] "There shall be no compulsion in religion...".

[Quran 60:8]"GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable."

[Quran 8:61]"If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient."

[Quran 4:90]"...... Therefore, if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then GOD gives you no excuse to fight them."
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AS FOR THE "CUTTING OFF" OF HANDS...


Mathematical Proof Supports Quranic Justice

[5:38] The thief, male or female, you shall mark their hands* as a punishment for their crime, and to serve as an example from GOD. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.

*5:38 The practice of cutting off the thief's hand, as decreed by the false Muslims, is a satanic practice without Quranic basis. Due to the special importance of this example, God has provided mathematical proof in support of marking the hand of the thief, rather than severing it. Verse 12:31 refers to the women who so admired Joseph that they ``cut'' their hands. Obviously, they did not ``cut off'' their hands; nobody can. The sum of sura and verse numbers are the same for 5:38 and 12:31, i.e., 43. It is also the will and mercy of God that this mathematical relationship conforms with the Quran's 19-based code. Nineteen verses after 12:31, we see the same word (12:50).

NOTICE THE SAME WORD IS USED IN THIS VERSE

[12:31] When she heard of their gossip, she invited them, prepared for them a comfortable place, and gave each of them a knife. She then said to him, "Enter their room." When they saw him, they so admired him, that they cut their hands.* They said, "Glory be to GOD, this is not a human being; this is an honorable angel."

*12:31 This is the same word used in 5:38 regarding the hand of the thief, and the sum of sura and verse numbers (12+31 and 5+3Cool are the same. Therefore, the thief's hand should be marked, not severed as practiced by the corrupted Islam (see Footnote 5:3Cool.



FURTHERMORE THE WORD IN ARABIC IS GHATAOO WHILE CUTTING OFF IS USED IN 5:33 IS GHATAO

IN THE ARABIC LANGUAGE, THE EMPHESIS ON THE T CHANGES THE MEANING OF THE WORD...


most of the translaters translated as cutting off because it fits with the false hadiths they have with them
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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FURTHERMORE THE WORD IN ARABIC IS GHATAOO WHILE CUTTING OFF IS USED IN 5:33 IS GHATAO


The actual word is Toqata'a which means to sever something. A three year old can tell you that. If the meaning of that verse was anything else, 200 million Arab-speakers world-wide would have noticed it by now (and their crazy mullahs would have probably demanded that Pickthal, Yusufali, and Shakir be killed for insulting Islam with their false translations).

I used verse 5:33 as an example of how that website works. But do you have another nonesense explanation cooked up for other verses?

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8:12
I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.


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5:33, The punishment of those who war with Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world,and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;


Can you cook up a miracle for us here with your elementary school arithmatic? Oh I know. If you add 8+12 and then subtract 5 from 33 and multiply their sum by 19, you will get to the verse where it says "It's always sunny in Florida"! Therefore, when the Quran says strike off people's heads and fingertips and cut off their hands and feet from opposite side, it actually means invite them to a pool party!
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