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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 8:59 pm    Post subject: Denigration of History And the Mocking of the National Flag Reply with quote

An translated pieace by our compatriot "Khorshid" from http://www.sarbazekuchak.blogspot.com/



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I translated this article two years ago, and every time I read it I too become choked with tears. It was written by the great Iranian scholar Shojaedin Shafa (http://www.sh-shafa.com/) during the St. Petersburg Jubilee (http://www.300.spb.ru/home_en.phtml) in May 2003, which celebrated the city’s founding by Peter the Great. It was published in Asre Emrooz.





By Prof. Shojaedin Shafa

Among this week’s exciting international events, the celebrations in the Russian republic marking the 300th anniversary of the founding of St. Petersburg hold a special place. Forty heads of states, hundreds of renowned political and cultural figures from around the world, and countless reporters and journalists from the international press have come here for the ceremony. Although the event is very interesting in itself, it is of particular interest to me as an Iranian. As I see it, the hundreds of thousands who shall come to the city for the celebration in the future will have the opportunity during their stay to visit the world’s most beautiful museum, and to be dazzled by its treasures of pre and post Islamic Iranian art, the most extensive and the most illustrious of its kind. I’ve visited this city in the past (when it was called Leningrad), spending hours upon hours looking at the most extensive display of Sassanian ceramics or the world’s largest display of Persian handicrafts, succeeding, however, to see only but a fraction of the assortment. Perhaps the reader is herself aware of the museum’s possession of the one of a kind 2500-year-old Persian rug, the oldest rug in the world.

However, it is not the collection of Persian art in the Hermitage or St. Petersburg libraries’ huge holdings of Persian manuscripts that have inspired me to write today. I’m impelled to write by the recollection, brought forth by the present ceremonies, of an important and notable event in our own nation’s contemporary history; recollections which, although very bitter for our generation, can in retrospect bear a constructive message for Iran’s future generations.

Thirty years ago, our own nation witnessed a celebration of similar international dimensions, hosting even more heads of states, cultural and political figures, and representatives of the world press to honor an occasion designated as the 2500th anniversary of the founding of the Persian Empire by King Cyrus the Great. Just as the founding of a large city by Peter the Great is being celebrated today, that day the founding of a vast Empire by King Cyrus the Great was honored and celebrated. However, with the important difference that if king Peter was a reformer, he was at the same time so selfish and brutal as to send thousands, including his own son, to their death, whereas Cyrus the Great, a reformist Monarch, was also so enlightened and compassionate as to found his nation’s throne, that of the world’s oldest Monarchy, upon the world’s first ever declaration of the freedoms of thought and religion. In the Torah, Cyrus is referred to as a messenger from God and the liberator of the oppressed. And Hegel, founder of the philosophy of history, considers his reign as marking the commencement of the historical period in the true sense.

This fact is reflected in all other aspects of the comparison as well. If according to the contemptuous and raging words of George Ball (an American statesman during the Persian Centennial) the host of honors Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi was nothing but a low-born Cossack who hosted the ceremony in order to convey himself as a descendant of Cyrus, then by the same calculation the host of honors in St. Petersburg today is an ex-Soviet KGB agent in need of conveying himself as a follower of the Romanoffs. Needless to say, American statesmen are making no such declarations today. If according to some, Iran’s economy at that time was in such dire states that it did not allow for such commemoration, the same can be said of the Russian economy today, for the present Russian annual income is hardly any higher than the annual income in Iran thirty years ago. However, American “experts” feel no need for such a warning today. If there was talk of human rights violations in Iran at that time, today we can also find much commentary on “Chechnya” in the international press, yet not a single commentary by human rights defenders in protest against celebrating the founding of St. Petersburg. Quite the contrary: In Russia or outside Russia, no newspaper, no radio station, no television channel, no human rights organization, no economist and no intellectual can be found who is raising his or her voice in protest.

Let us not forget that the denigration of the ceremony honoring Cyrus the Great and the Persian Empire was instigated by a number of Iranian groups themselves, acting in opposition to the reigning monarch at the time. But this unique occasion did not involve the Shah only. It involved the history of Iran. It involved the culture and civilization of Iran. It involved our national honor and prestige. It involved an old Nation that after 1400 years of defeat, occupation, mass slaughter, annexation and decline, once again rose---at a time when the majority of the people around the world knew very little of Her---to show the world Her historic identity and individuality. She demanded Her designated and rightful place among the greater family of Civilization, a place rightfully reserved in the Third Millennium for what Hegel called “the first nation that made history”; a place for a nation civilized and full of life, not a third world country with no honor and prestige.

Choked with tears and with a heavy heart I write: The celebration of 2500 years of a history and culture which from the beginning formed one of the pillars of civilization---bearing in mind Her role and responsibilities in the history of culture and civilization---was the most unique and home-born of its kind in the entire 20th century.

The denigration of such a dignified and prestigious ceremony by pointing fingers at this or that person in the most miserly and ignoble manner (for some negligible abuse in connection with the service provided for the guests or the purchase of tents for Persepolis) was like punishing an entire population for this or that man’s petty crime, particularly as the alleged abuse would be incomparable either with the wheeling and dealing (on the scale of hundreds of millions of dollars) behind the American Bicentennial celebrations (1976), or the multi-billion dollar grand larceny perpetuated by the Mafia of a republic which today celebrates the 300th anniversary of the founding of its former capital.

What I can conclude from these facts and pass on to the next generation of Iranians is this: Every flaw and imperfection in our country during the celebration honoring Cyrus and the founding of His Monarchy also exists in a country where the founding of St. Petersburg is being celebrated today, but even the most radical and extreme opponents of the Russian leader, whether inside or outside Russia, fully comprehend that where the history and prestige of Russia and her people are concerned, there is no place for personal vendettas or friendships to make a show of themselves, because to denigrate a nation’s history, identity and culture is to thoughtlessly slander and mock her flag. That if this truth of history is snubbed, the result would be the coming to power of such entities as the Islamic Republic, whose head of radio and television networks---precisely the very instruments that should assert Cyrus’ national prestige---can make the claim, in a “very scientific speech”, that Iran before Islam had no history and no civilization, and that all she possesses today she owes to a culture and civilization delivered to her through Islam courtesy of sword-wielding Arab bandits.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First off let me thank Khorshid for translating this pieace by Dr Shojaedin Shafa.

Khorshid-jaan,

The choking tears weren't limited to you and Dr Shafa but they came to me as well as I read the last sentence and continue as I write this...



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is just one flag for Iran and that is it:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually the real flag of Iran is derafshe kaviani (parcham e kaveh).
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont think so!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Martin wrote:
I dont think so!


Too bad because what Azadeh says is true.



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

keep that flag for yourself please.

We are happy with this one. hehehehehe
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Martin wrote:
keep that flag for yourself please.

We are happy with this one. hehehehehe



Yeah "hehehe". Are you Iranian? If so you just made a fool out of yourself, if not you still made a fool out of yourself. Nobody has said that the Shir o Khorshid isn't Iranian, Azadeh said that the Derafshe Kaviani is the first Iranian flag.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you even know who Kaveh Ahangar is?

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Yeah "hehehe". Are you Iranian? If so you just made a fool out of yourself, if not you still made a fool out of yourself. Nobody has said that the Shir o Khorshid isn't Iranian, Azadeh said that the Derafshe Kaviani is the first Iranian flag.


It might very well be the first flag in the world.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First flag in the world? Hahaha Laughing

Thats gonna keep me laughing through the night Wink

What a silly thing to say... The first flags of the world were most definetly NOT the types of flags we use today - they were probably as simple as they get - one colored and easy to make...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dîrî wrote:

The first flags of the world were most definetly NOT the types of flags we use today


She didn't say that the types flags we use today was the first flags in the world. She was talking about the Derafshe Kaviani:


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Azadeh wrote:
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Do you even know who Kaveh Ahangar is?

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Yeah "hehehe". Are you Iranian? If so you just made a fool out of yourself, if not you still made a fool out of yourself. Nobody has said that the Shir o Khorshid isn't Iranian, Azadeh said that the Derafshe Kaviani is the first Iranian flag.


It might very well be the first flag in the world.



And you said she didn't say that they were the first flags? Well - read - it says so right there Very Happy

And who are you talking about AZADEH????

"KAVEH AHANGAR" - do you mean KAWA ASINGER (Also known as "HASINGER" )


If it we are talking about the same person... What about him??? The guy I am talking about is a Kurdish national hero... He was the one who lead a popular uprising among Kurds to fight the evil Assyrian King Dahak (Also known as "Zuhak" ) Is THAT the man you are talking about? Don't tell me you were gonna say he was Persian! Hahahahaha Very Happy
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Well, I'd be happy if you could just name a flag of another country that is older than derafshe kaviani. I don't care if it's single coloured or multicoloured. Just any flag older than Derafshe Kaviani. Does China have an older national flag? How about India? Britain? Greece? Before the Islamic invasion of our homeland, derafshe kaviani was the national flag of Sassanian, Ashkanian, Achamanians, Medians, Kianian and Pishdadian dynasties. That makes it older than history.

And don't be absured! Kaveh Ahangar lived thousands of years ago. Back when Iran was just one country (before the evil Muslim Ottoman Empire invaded our country and took a big chunk of it as their own). None of this "your are Persian, I am Kurdish" nonsense.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey - are you totally un-educated in matters of history? the FALL of ASSYRIA WAS 612 BC (some historians say 705 BC) ! Kawa Asinger was a great Kurdish Hero who lead a great uprising against the Assyrian empire - WHO IS THE MAN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT????




And you can't just say that the derafshe kaviani is the oldest national symbol... it has been LOST just like ANY other national symbols of other countries...

Go take a history lesson...
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Dude, you seem way out of it. The first place in historical texts that even mentions Kaveh Ahangar is in Shahnameh Ferdowsi. This is the only source that we know someone named Kaveh even existed. Where else did you hear about the legend of Kaveh Ahangar? How do you even know that a person such as Kaveh even existed? The only source we have of the existance of Kaveh is in Shahnameh Ferdowsi and this is how he describes the legend of Kaveh.

The Legend of Kaveh Ahangar (Kaveh the Blacksmith)
Kaveh Ahangar first appeared in Ferdousi's Shahnameh as the hero who rescued his people from the ruthless ruler in power at his time. Kaveh was such a man who stood up against the tyrant Zahak (known as snake-shouldered). Zahak was the son of Mardas an Arab ruler in Iran. Stories have it that Zahak killed his father in order to earn the kingdom. It was believed that Zahak had a special relationship with the devil. The devil had kissed his shoulders and from each shoulder had grown a snake. This urges Zahak to seek treatment. This time the devil appears in front of Zahak as a doctor and advises him to drink the blood of young Iranians in order to satisfy the needs of the bloodthirsty snakes. One night Zahak dreams that three men came to his palace and killed him. He wakes up in terror and calls upon the dream interpreter whom in turn tells him that a man with a name of Fereydoon will come and take your kingdom away. Hence Zahak sends for Fereydoon to be discovered and destroyed. Fereydoon's mother, Faranak, hears the command and takes fereydoon to a village in Larijan in Mazandaran (north of Iran). Ferdousi further writes that Fereydoon was left to a farmer in Larijan and milked by a cow whose every hair was of a different color. Zahak soon hears of this unusual cow and comes to the North in the seek to find it. Faranak hears of this and takes Fereydoon to an old man who wondered in the mountains to take care of him. Meanwhile Zahak kills the beautiful caw. Once Fereydoon reaches the age of sixteen he leaves in search of his mother. When he found his mother, he was told all that had happened to him. Fereydoon upon hearing his disturbed life becomes eager to take revenge. As Fereydoon gets closer to approach his revenge he meets Kaveh at a gathering. Kaveh, a working class blacksmith with nothing more than a brave heart & the support of his people, decided to end this vicious cycle & destroy this evil king. With bravery he approached Zahak and demands freedom. He took off his leather apron and puts it on top of a long metal to make a flag out of it. This flag was called the Darafsh the flag of freedom that sentenced the guilty monarch to life in the mountains. It is written that Kaveh, Fereydoon and his two brothers,(Kianoosh and Shadkam), united the people and went to a war with Zahak. Meanwhile Zahak flees to India while his army was fighting with Fereydoon. Fereydoon conquers Zahak's army and after he decides to finish the unfinished business and find Zahak. After finding Zahak, Fereydoon takes him to the Albourz Mountains, located in North of Iran, and prisons him in a cave. The day that Fereydoon destroyed Zahak and his kingdom may also be the day that the Persians celebrate the Mehregan Festival. A day that good destroys evil.

Kaveh's flag was later on famous as Darafsh and it was customary in the that every king would add a jewlery to the darafsh. When Arab Muslims invaded Iran, the darafsh was seized in a bloody battle fought around Nahavand (a city with the same name in today's Hamadan province in the mid-western Iran) and taken, among many other war spoils. The Arabs burned the flag and used the valuable items.

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Hey - are you totally un-educated in matters of history? the FALL of ASSYRIA WAS 612 BC (some historians say 705 BC) ! Kawa Asinger was a great Kurdish Hero who lead a great uprising against the Assyrian empire - WHO IS THE MAN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT????


First of all, who said that Zahak was an Assyrian who lived between 612 to 705 B. C.? Where are you getting this from? There is no historical evidence for even the existance of Zahak except for Shahnameh Ferdowsi. The only place Kaveh is mentioned is in Shahnameh Ferdowsi. And he mentions no dates.

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And you can't just say that the derafshe kaviani is the oldest national symbol... it has been LOST just like ANY other national symbols of other countries...


Like what national symbol from what country? It would be nice if you could just name one national symbol older than this one (LOST or otherwise still in use) Rolling Eyes

The fact that Kaveh chose Alborz Mountain to restrain Zahak means that he was an Iranian national hero.

For someone who claims to be an ultra-patriotic Kurd and believes that Kaveh was a strictly Kurdish National hero, I find it ironic that you don't have the flag of Kaveh as your avatar and have instead opted for a made-up flag that look similar to Iran's current flag (after the Islamic invasion). Whta's that all about?

Statue of Kaveh Ahangar in Esfahan:



And the glorious Derafshe Kaviani:



Or the version without the precious jewels and the fravahar on top:

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