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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 7:27 am    Post subject: "The Shah will return" Reply with quote

Iranians Start Questioning Role Of Religion In Politics

December 20, 2004
Kuwait Times
Cyrus Khaki
http://www.kuwaittimes.net/today/localNews_s3.php



Throughout history, it has been a frequent occurrence for countries to switch political systems, from feudal states to kingdoms and back again. It has been equally common for a country to change from a republic-based hierarchy, to the equally disputed democratic system. What is much more rare is for a nation to alter is approach to religion.

The history of the Middle East is in large part a patchwork quilt of religious conflicts, shifting dogmas and fracturing of religious systems. But once a nation defines itself by its religions, the definition often becomes set in stone and difficult to alter even from within. Such is the case in Iran today. While many in the country still adhere willingly to the strict Islamic rule, others are questioning the overwhelming role of religion in politics and daily life.

In a recent visit to Iran, I had the opportunity to ask people how they felt about the changes-and lack of changes-in the country they call home. I flew in from Kuwait with no idea of how much and how fast the country was changing and how opinions on the future direction of the country have become so hotly divided. During my visit, it became very apparent that despite the various strenuous sanctions against this country, the market has adapted well to the limited import allowances. Everywhere I looked I noted locally made goods, be it foodstuffs, home appliances, or even cars-despite recent laws that allow BMW cars to be imported with a 300 per cent import tax quota. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if there were ever a self-efficient country Iran would be it.

Weary public Nevertheless, the Iranian public is becoming weary. Everywhere I went I met people who were growing increasingly tired of the firebrand rhetoric and lack of substantive development coming from the government. Many openly condemned the current regime. "Much has changed since 1979," said A.M. who owns a grocery shop in northern Tehran. "I supported this regime back then because I was promised a better life. I was blind to the fact that my life was at the time at its highlight. Many people would agree to this.

Iran's revolution 25 years ago was one of a kind. It really was the first of its kind. Look at the world; everywhere you look, you'll see people revolting and rioting the streets because they are hungry, poor and dissatisfied with their living standards. But we had everything. We were better off then than we are now. Look at me; I used to own a men's clothing store, I used to walk around town advertising the best in men's fashion by wearing the most expensive suits and ties from my own shop. Now I'm here selling fruits and vegetables."

Through held-back tears before a man half his age, A.M. adds, "Iran's revolution was caused not by hunger; it was caused by the peoples' boredom and the abundance of everything." A.M. admitted that he was indeed one of the millions that went to the streets on the day of the revolution, Feb 11, 1979. He maintained however, that had he been given the chance to go back in time, he would not only stay home, but would condemn anyone he knew personally, had they shown a remote interest in supporting the overthrowing of the Shah's dynasty.

Living standards

While taking a drive through Iran's capital, I met another man who also expressed dissatisfaction with the ruling mullahs. He stated that he's been a taxi driver for more than 35 years, but never did he expect living standards to hit rock bottom, as that they have in recent years. He made clear that he is a firm believer of the Islamic doctrine, but is furious at how it is "forced" under the rule of this government.

The 50-year-old taxi driver, M.Q. said, "Back in the day, you could go to a park, and you'd find a drunk man and a Muslim veiled woman sharing the same bench to admire the scenery; neither of them bothered with what the other is doing. But look at us today! We've been reduced to the point where our 5,000 year heritage is being questioned by clerics who want to take away the little bit of pride that remains for us." During the long drive, he made references to today's youth and how they've been led astray by greed and money. His reasoning for this relates to the poverty that has overtaken the country since the revolution.

"Girls used to have dignity, they used to be proud. Now all they want is a rich man to spoil them, and they aren't ashamed to admit it. I remember a neighbour of ours had had a man come and ask for his daughter's hand around 30 years ago, if I'm not mistaken about the year. The groom-to-be was very wealthy; so wealthy in fact, that everyone in the neighbourhood knew that he owned hotels and restaurants abroad. As I recall, my neighbour rejected to marry his daughter off to him, saying that his daughter wasn't livestock, and that even when buying cattle a man should spend more time admiring and analysing it. This is the demise of our people. Today, that very same family is giving away its grand daughters to foreign visitors who want 'temporary marriages,'" added M.Q.

Nevertheless, Iran is a country torn between two ideals. During my visit, I noted that there are those who hold a firm belief in the Islamic traditions; then there are those who ignore it completely, if not for the forced way with which it is implemented then because of the substantial economic hardships this government has brought with it.

Split ideals

Walking in the streets, one can see the split ideals. It is really disconcerting to see a segregated people who are so different and yet so similar in their passion for what they believe. On the one hand there are the Islamists, and on the other you have the liberals. Both are plentiful to the average person strolling the streets of Tehran, although statistics tell a different story. Of the approximate 66 million people in Iran, some 70 per cent are supposed to be under the age of 30. This has different implications for different censuring agencies. Some would argue that 70 per cent of the population have been brought up under this regime and therefore are more grounded in their Islamic beliefs, while others would counter by claiming that the 70 per cent have witnessed the atrocities brought unto them and therefore are more likely to make a stand to oust this regime.

What is apparent though, is that both 'parties' are becoming more and more enraged as the other begins voicing its beliefs more stridently. But as a famous Iranian poet once said, "it is the silent that shall sneak past the blockade, not the violent horde that try to force their way through."

The supporters of this regime try to silence the liberals by protesting in the streets and making themselves heard as the voice of the majority. And indeed, many can feel their aspirations wholeheartedly, as this is their religion they are trying to maintain and the very reason why some of them are still pushing through the life that has been thrown at them. "I will not let a bunch of young kids who don't know what's good for them take away what the Prophet gave us 2,000 years ago!" said F. H, a woman in her mid 30s, who took part in a recent demonstration in Tehran, supporting the Islamic Republic's government.

Undeniably, the liberals are silenced. But in their silence they are hopeful as they wait. S. A. a resolved liberal says, "He will return. Everyone knows this. The Shah will return, and with his return everything will change. This is why the fundamentalists are weary. This is why recently they have been trying extra hard to show the world that they are the people. But the truth cannot be hidden, the world will see. Long live the King and his kingdom that awaits him."
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To: info@kuwaittimes.net

Dear Sir/Madam,

I want to thank you for an excellent article, recently e-mailed to me by a friend in Iran, that in a matter of hours since its publication became, and remains, the subject of much conversation and praise among the Iranian community. It is Cyrus Khaki’s "Iranians Start Questioning Role Of Religion In Politics". Today, 26 years after a bloody reaction which left our developing nation in utter ruins, the details of which I need not recount here, and whose regional and global repercussions are felt and seen to this date, Iranians from nearly the entire political spectrum, and not surprisingly most of the “revolutionaries” themselves, have come to view the event as either a great blunder, a self-swindle or, most commonly and pessimistically, a “mass suicide.” Unremarkably, those who continue to praise the 1979 reaction as a “step forward” are the same actors whose role in the revolution was purely of a mercenary nature, a set of entities wrongly referred to as the “Iranian Left”.

It is common that the wishes of the people of Iran are summarized with the hope that “the Shah will return”. On one hand, the Shah has been, historically, the major pillar of our nationhood, “a living manifestation of the continuity of our civilization” as someone recently phrased it, a guardian uniting and preserving Iran during Her darkest hours. In this, he/she has hardly differed from other heads of state in history. On the other, not even the more learned members of “Hizballah” can deny that without the Pahlavis and the progress made possible under their reign, had there remained an Iran to speak of, it would have been indistinguishable from an Afghanistan. One of course need not be an Iranian Monarchist like myself to appreciate the Pahlavi contribution, but it has become very clear that those vilifying the figure of the Shah in general, and the Pahlavis in particular, have vested interests in preserving the Shiite Theocracy.

Sincerely yours,

Khorshid

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally see the return of the Shah to Iran as the best possible scenario there is. Just like Spain which burned with political radicalism, political factionalism, civil war, fascism, death and destruction, the return of the King in 1976 engineered by centrist forces in Spain has brought about the miracle of Spain today, democracy, prosperity, progress and stability!

Monarchy has preserved the indiginous culture and language of Iran intact for thousands of years despite numerous invasions. There is a reason why the book that is the basis for our language and understanding of Persian culture after the Arab Islamic invasion is called the "Shahnameh" .

In the absence of monarchy, religion will dominate. The best way to unify Iran, preserve its traditions, bring about democracy and secularity is through a Constitutional Monarchy. And last time I checked the world's best liberal democracies, with the lowerst divisions between the haves and have nots were the Cosntitutional Monarchies of Europe!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

About A Poll

http://poll.gooya.com/

Last week, the website Gooya conducted a poll where it asked its readers: “Who is the most popular figure for Iran’s political future?” Although the poll was available for only four days (Dec 27-Dec 30), it was originally planned to end sometime this week, but was stopped due to what was explained as attempts at multiple voting. Although “none of the above” was available as an option, receiving 15.4% of the total votes, “Reza Pahlavi” received the highest number of votes from those who did choose a personality. Remarkably, Gooya and its columnists are vehemently anti-monarchist: Islamist “reformists”, “communists”, “federalists” and far less shy anti-Iranian figures such as the separatists who do not hide behind labels like these.

Total Number of Votes: 8119

Percentage of votes---number of votes

Reza Pahlavi 13.2%---1071
Kurosh Moddaresi 8.8%---714
Abbas Amir Entezam 6.0%---484
Katami 5.5%---448
Ezatullah Sahabi 4.6%---370
Akbar Ganji 3.8%---312
Shirin Ebadi 3.7%---301
Nasser Zarafshan 3.4%---272
Ebrahim Nabavi 3.1%---253
Ali Javadi 3.1%---248
Khamenei 2.4%---193
Abdullah Nouri 2.2%---175
Ata’allah Mohajerani 1.8%---145
Googoosh 1.8%---144
Mir Hossein Mussavi 1.7%---141
Ebrahim Yazdi 1.7%---140
Farrokh Negahdar 1.6%---132
Abolhassan Banisadr 1.6%---132
Sazgara 1.6%---126
Mohamad Reza Khatami 1.5%---120
Alireza Nourizadeh 1.4%---116
Maryam Rajavi 1.4%---112
Abdolkarim Soroush 1.3%---102
Masoud Behnood 1.2%---101
Ayatullah Montazeri 1.1%---87
Rafsanjani 1.0%---84
Mehrangiz Kar 1.0%---82
Mohamadali Abtahi 0.8%---67
Mostafa Taajzadeh 0.6%---52
Tabarzadi 0.5%---41
Dariyush Homayoun 0.5%---37
Sa’is Hajjarian 0.4%---33
Mohsen Rezai 0.2%---18
Ali Larijani 0.2%---13
None of the above 15.4%---1253


Of the 23047 individuals with unique IP’s who visited the page during the three days, that is, including those who did not participate in the poll, there were:

21% from Iran
18% from USA
11% from Canada
10% from Germany
10% from Sweden
8% from Britain
4% from France
3.5% from Holland
2.5% from Norway
2% from unknown locations
10% from all other countries

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the point:


I personally see the return of the Shah to Iran as the best possible scenario there is. Just like Spain which burned with political radicalism, political factionalism, civil war, fascism, death and destruction, the return of the King in 1976 engineered by centrist forces in Spain has brought about the miracle of Spain today, democracy, prosperity, progress and stability!

Monarchy has preserved the indiginous culture and language of Iran intact for thousands of years despite numerous invasions. There is a reason why the book that is the basis for our language and understanding of Persian culture after the Arab Islamic invasion is called the "Shahnameh" .

In the absence of monarchy, religion will dominate. The best way to unify Iran, preserve its traditions, bring about democracy and secularity is through a Constitutional Monarchy. And last time I checked the world's best liberal democracies, with the lowerst divisions between the haves and have nots were the Cosntitutional Monarchies of Europe!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didnt you see that the last option got the most support?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spenta wrote:

In the absence of monarchy, religion will dominate. The best way to unify Iran, preserve its traditions, bring about democracy and secularity is through a Constitutional Monarchy. And last time I checked the world's best liberal democracies, with the lowerst divisions between the haves and have nots were the Cosntitutional Monarchies of Europe!



That has nothing to do with the monarchs, beacuse in Europe they are powerless. That is beacuse the Swedes and other Scandinavians choose to spend the states money on themselves while America choses to spend its citizens money on war. The Swedes simply have choosen a social democrat goverment allowing everyone equal oppurtunities while many other havent. this has nothing to do with the king.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then why don't the Egyptians and the billions of other people in the usual run of the mill dysfunctional Republic's all around the world choose the same as the people of Sweden? Dysfunctional, corrupt and greedy Republics are a constant of the third world, and they haven't delivered!

Under a Constitutional Moanrchy in Iran the peopel are free to choose a Socialist govt. just like in Europe. The monarchy allows for this process in ways that a corrupt, dysfunctional Republic cannot!

Iran already has the experience of being a Monarchy and a Republic, and the epxerience of the majority, not to mention te obvious facts, simply reveal that Iran was a million time better off as a monarchy!

And as I mentioned before, Republics killed more in the world in the last century than monarchies i.e. Stalin & the UsSR, Hitler and the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia! And lest we foget, Hitler was a popular democratically elected leader! The 3 worst regimes of the last 25 years in the Middle East have been all been Republics: Saddam (Socialist), Afghanistan under the Taliban and Iran under the Mullah$! And right now the majority of the worst regimes in the world are all Republics, not moanrchies!

If Republics were automatically better, then the Swedes would have overthrown their monarchy to go for a better system. As it is, the monarchy in Sweden allowed for a gradual shift towards secualrism the same way it did in other European countries, and the same way it must in Iran. To find out how bad relgious zealotry and repression was in Sweden a century ago watch Ingmar Bergman's "Fanny & Alexander". And look at Sweden today. In fact Europe's Constitutional Monarchies are the most liberal countries in the world. And by comparison you look at the progress towards modernity of a Middle Eastern country like Dubai in the last 20 years, and you realise the same formula works in the Middle East.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Khorshid

Thank-you for posting the poll from Gooya. What is interesting is that I did not know about this site, since I don't read Gooya. Neither do most of the people I know. As you pointed out, it is an Islamist site, so the majority of the people who visit that site have similar inclinations. Meanwhile I and the rest of the RP supporters don't visit the site and did not vote in the poll. So it is of great interest that even a pol taken amongst a somewhat Islamist, Leftist and anti-monarchy group would result in Reza Pahalvi getting the most votes. Now imagine if that poll was taken amongst a group that was more representative of Iranian demographics, imagine then what it would have been, RP's share would have been stratospheric!

In other words even amongst his critics, Reza Pahalvi is the most likely candidate to lead!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is Amnesty promoting a "moderate" version of Shari'ia ??

Iran: Women are Terrorized

December 30, 2004
Amnesty International
Ina Tin
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE130492004


by Ina Tin, editor of AmnestyNytt, AI Norway’s magazine (translated by Laila Belle)

Index: MDE 13/049/2004

Shirin Ebadi is fighting for a new interpretation of Islamic Shari'a laws. In the opinion of the Iranian Nobel Peace Prize Laureate, the interpretation of the Shari'a permitting discrimination of women is incorrect. She emphasises that women are protesting against these laws. As a lawyer and a human rights defender in Iran, she is giving priority to working towards changing this interpretation of Islam.

"A dynamic interpretation of Islam will accept women’s rights, democracy and human rights. We are fighting to prove that Islam is not against women. We live in a patriarchal culture that is against women and therefore dominated by an incorrect interpretation of Islam. You know, most men would oppose any feministic interpretation, but that is not important. We have to do our job even if it puts us at risk. We have to take the challenge. It will not be easy, I know, but it is our job.

"Women in Iran are terrorized. We are facing discriminatory laws as well as family violence. These laws represent the biggest problem. If laws were just, violence would diminish. That is why the fight against laws that discriminate is given priority."

She says that the laws are not adapted to today’s society. Today, 63% of students in Iran are women, yet many laws violate human rights because they systematically discriminate against women.

"A man may have four wives; two female witnesses make up for one male witness; in compensation cases, the price of a woman’s life is worth half the price of a man’s; filing for a divorce is more difficult for a woman than for a man. One type of violence against women is forbidden, but another type is permitted", she explains.

"If a woman is killed on the street or in the house, the murderer may be prosecuted. The problem is that such violence is rarely reported to the police. If, however, the woman is killed by her husband because she is unfaithful or is caught in bed with another man, the murderer will not be punished."

She says, with a sigh, that it is difficult for a professor of law to teach her subject.

"How does one create respect and understanding for laws like these?"

She believes that there are many people in Iran who would welcome a new interpretation of Islamic law.

"It is evident that the government creates many problems for those of us who act. Some of us are in prison; others are in exile and others are prohibited from speaking in public. Take me, for instance -- I am not allowed to speak at universities, nor am I allowed to receive honorary doctorates abroad. But that is not important, the authorities do their job and we do ours," she says.

She says that she thinks the government offers some degree of protection against family violence, but it is of no help to those who have actually experienced violence.

"We have no social help. If a husband beats his wife and she reports him for violence, the incident will be investigated. He will get a fine and the wife will be allowed to file for a divorce. But what can a divorcee with small children do -- no job and no income, no house and no social help? It is not sufficient for the authorities to punish a violent husband. In reality, the woman has no alternative but to stay married."

She does not give an opinion as to whether all religious laws should be put aside and human rights confirmed as the one and only common basis of values. She argues, however, that Islam gives people the right to change the laws according to time and place.

"Let me give you one example: the Koran states that all Muslims are expected to fast, not to drink or eat from sunrise to sunset, during the month of Ramadan. In the Middle East, it is easy to fast, but what about on the North Pole? Six months of daylight and six months of dark night -- if a Muslim were to follow the rules of fast, he or she would die. One has to make a compromise. By dividing the day in three, you are expected to fast for eight hours daily. We call them secondary laws; laws rooted in the Koran, but adapted to time and place. Many laws have already been changed like that."

"Amnesty International (AI) has friends all over the world," she says, voicing her support for AI’s campaign to stop violence against women. "The campaign is important because women’s rights are violated all over the world, in particular in the East".

She says that she believes AI’s campaign will make a difference to women in the Muslim world where they face serious problems. However, she points out that she also thinks, in order to succeed in Muslim countries, it would be very useful to obtain support from Muslim clerics for the campaign. She says that she thinks new changes will be made when enough people call for them.

"We have had some success, but we need more changes. I am optimistic. We will succeed if we stand together," the Iranian Peace Prize Laureate concludes.

Editor's note: The Islamic Human Rights Commission has visited the International Secretariat of AI. Ayatollah Bojnourdi, the head of the Imam Khomeini Center for Islamic Studies, has given his support to the organization's work.

Further information:

Urgent Action: Iran: Fear of imminent execution/fear of flogging, Leyla M http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engmde130482004


Amnesty International Norway demonstrates in front of the Iranian embassy in Oslo on behalf of Iranian Leyla M. (text in Norwegian) http://www.amnesty.no/web.nsf/pages/49E69A5F8C5764B5C1256F6D003C7587********
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shari'ia is a brutal law which cannot be reformed. It must be abolished !
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gooya is not an Islamist site.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gimme a break. They have ran plenty of articles singing the virtues of Islamic Democracy over the course of the years! They may not be Hezbollahi, but they are leftist Islamist. They feature articles by the likes of Bani Sadr who defended Khomeini's veil laws with crap about how women emanate rays from their head which are dangerous to men. And where does Bani Sadr publish regularly? On Gooya! Ditto for the rest of the "Enghelabeeyoon e Eslami" (Islamic Revolutionaries) of 25 years ago,and the Melli Mazhabis (National Religious Party), need I say more ...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gooya, is a free website, every one can post there, unlike this website...
beacuse they posted articles on bani sadr doesnt mean theyre islamists.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a free web site too, plenty of people with different views such as you and me post here.

However, in Gooya's case, the majority of the Islamic Revolutionaries of 25 years ago, the Melli Mazhabis (National Religious), the lame duck Reformi$t$, Islamic Democrats and the Mullah$ intellectual defenders write and publish their articles there. That defiantely establishes a preference and a bias, like Fox News or National Review in the US. The site attracts a pretty obvious political affiliation, which leans in the direction of Islamic, albeit intellectual Islamic, quite heavily!
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