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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 10:16 pm    Post subject: The Shah Will Return Reply with quote

"S. A. a resolved liberal says, "He will return. Everyone knows this. The Shah will return, and with his return everything will change. This is why the fundamentalists are weary. This is why recently they have been trying extra hard to show the world that they are the people. But the truth cannot be hidden, the world will see. Long live the King and his kingdom that awaits him."

Iranians Start Questioning Role Of Religion In Politics

December 20, 2004
Kuwait Times
Cyrus Khaki



Throughout history, it has been a frequent occurrence for countries to switch political systems, from feudal states to kingdoms and back again. It has been equally common for a country to change from a republic-based hierarchy, to the equally disputed democratic system. What is much more rare is for a nation to alter is approach to religion.

The history of the Middle East is in large part a patchwork quilt of religious conflicts, shifting dogmas and fracturing of religious systems. But once a nation defines itself by its religions, the definition often becomes set in stone and difficult to alter even from within. Such is the case in Iran today. While many in the country still adhere willingly to the strict Islamic rule, others are questioning the overwhelming role of religion in politics and daily life.

In a recent visit to Iran, I had the opportunity to ask people how they felt about the changes-and lack of changes-in the country they call home. I flew in from Kuwait with no idea of how much and how fast the country was changing and how opinions on the future direction of the country have become so hotly divided. During my visit, it became very apparent that despite the various strenuous sanctions against this country, the market has adapted well to the limited import allowances. Everywhere I looked I noted locally made goods, be it foodstuffs, home appliances, or even cars-despite recent laws that allow BMW cars to be imported with a 300 per cent import tax quota. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if there were ever a self-efficient country Iran would be it.

Weary public Nevertheless, the Iranian public is becoming weary. Everywhere I went I met people who were growing increasingly tired of the firebrand rhetoric and lack of substantive development coming from the government. Many openly condemned the current regime. "Much has changed since 1979," said A.M. who owns a grocery shop in northern Tehran. "I supported this regime back then because I was promised a better life. I was blind to the fact that my life was at the time at its highlight. Many people would agree to this.

Iran's revolution 25 years ago was one of a kind. It really was the first of its kind. Look at the world; everywhere you look, you'll see people revolting and rioting the streets because they are hungry, poor and dissatisfied with their living standards. But we had everything. We were better off then than we are now. Look at me; I used to own a men's clothing store, I used to walk around town advertising the best in men's fashion by wearing the most expensive suits and ties from my own shop. Now I'm here selling fruits and vegetables."

Through held-back tears before a man half his age, A.M. adds, "Iran's revolution was caused not by hunger; it was caused by the peoples' boredom and the abundance of everything." A.M. admitted that he was indeed one of the millions that went to the streets on the day of the revolution, Feb 11, 1979. He maintained however, that had he been given the chance to go back in time, he would not only stay home, but would condemn anyone he knew personally, had they shown a remote interest in supporting the overthrowing of the Shah's dynasty.

Living standards

While taking a drive through Iran's capital, I met another man who also expressed dissatisfaction with the ruling mullahs. He stated that he's been a taxi driver for more than 35 years, but never did he expect living standards to hit rock bottom, as that they have in recent years. He made clear that he is a firm believer of the Islamic doctrine, but is furious at how it is "forced" under the rule of this government.

The 50-year-old taxi driver, M.Q. said, "Back in the day, you could go to a park, and you'd find a drunk man and a Muslim veiled woman sharing the same bench to admire the scenery; neither of them bothered with what the other is doing. But look at us today! We've been reduced to the point where our 5,000 year heritage is being questioned by clerics who want to take away the little bit of pride that remains for us." During the long drive, he made references to today's youth and how they've been led astray by greed and money. His reasoning for this relates to the poverty that has overtaken the country since the revolution.

"Girls used to have dignity, they used to be proud. Now all they want is a rich man to spoil them, and they aren't ashamed to admit it. I remember a neighbour of ours had had a man come and ask for his daughter's hand around 30 years ago, if I'm not mistaken about the year. The groom-to-be was very wealthy; so wealthy in fact, that everyone in the neighbourhood knew that he owned hotels and restaurants abroad. As I recall, my neighbour rejected to marry his daughter off to him, saying that his daughter wasn't livestock, and that even when buying cattle a man should spend more time admiring and analysing it. This is the demise of our people. Today, that very same family is giving away its grand daughters to foreign visitors who want 'temporary marriages,'" added M.Q.

Nevertheless, Iran is a country torn between two ideals. During my visit, I noted that there are those who hold a firm belief in the Islamic traditions; then there are those who ignore it completely, if not for the forced way with which it is implemented then because of the substantial economic hardships this government has brought with it.

Split ideals

Walking in the streets, one can see the split ideals. It is really disconcerting to see a segregated people who are so different and yet so similar in their passion for what they believe. On the one hand there are the Islamists, and on the other you have the liberals. Both are plentiful to the average person strolling the streets of Tehran, although statistics tell a different story. Of the approximate 66 million people in Iran, some 70 per cent are supposed to be under the age of 30. This has different implications for different censuring agencies. Some would argue that 70 per cent of the population have been brought up under this regime and therefore are more grounded in their Islamic beliefs, while others would counter by claiming that the 70 per cent have witnessed the atrocities brought unto them and therefore are more likely to make a stand to oust this regime.

What is apparent though, is that both 'parties' are becoming more and more enraged as the other begins voicing its beliefs more stridently. But as a famous Iranian poet once said, "it is the silent that shall sneak past the blockade, not the violent horde that try to force their way through."

The supporters of this regime try to silence the liberals by protesting in the streets and making themselves heard as the voice of the majority. And indeed, many can feel their aspirations wholeheartedly, as this is their religion they are trying to maintain and the very reason why some of them are still pushing through the life that has been thrown at them. "I will not let a bunch of young kids who don't know what's good for them take away what the Prophet gave us 2,000 years ago!" said F. H, a woman in her mid 30s, who took part in a recent demonstration in Tehran, supporting the Islamic Republic's government.

Undeniably, the liberals are silenced. But in their silence they are hopeful as they wait. S. A. a resolved liberal says, "He will return. Everyone knows this. The Shah will return, and with his return everything will change. This is why the fundamentalists are weary. This is why recently they have been trying extra hard to show the world that they are the people. But the truth cannot be hidden, the world will see. Long live the King and his kingdom that awaits him."

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Wow ... I'm with the liberal at the end, I was very moved when I red his words. I hope the Shah returns, and there is no doubt in my mind that things will take a dramatic and miraculous turn for the better with the return of the Shah, just like they did in Spain !
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldnt you rather like a republic? A democratic secular republic?
Let's face it; one cannot stress how much better the shah were then these mullahs but he wasnt democratic at all.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iran's cultural identity is preserved within the monarchy. It is a nation of kings, noble blood gives rise to nobility of government. The monarchy backed by a powerful parliament will be more than enough to see Persia rise to the heavens.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

reza wrote:
Iran's cultural identity is preserved within the monarchy. It is a nation of kings, noble blood gives rise to nobility of government. The monarchy backed by a powerful parliament will be more than enough to see Persia rise to the heavens.


Well said.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My attitude is Monarchists are the most liberal of any opposition group. Look at how many rights women and minorities enjoyed under MRP, and then Jebhe Melli anti monarchist Khomeini lovers like Bani Sadr/Bazargan et. al claimed that women had to cover their hair because it emanated dangerous rays. Monarchists also were more democratic towards minorities religious and ethnic, which is why you will find many Persian Jews, Bahais and even ethnic groups like the Kurdish supporting Monarchy today.

Monarchists are the most democratic and inclusive of any group, and I will not forget that while Khomeini sent women back to the dark ages, lined up Bahai families against a wall and machine gunned them to death, massacred Kurdish villagers and assasinted rich Jewish business leaders to take their money and pay off Arafat's mercenaries for killing Iranian soldiers, it was the anti Monarchist Republicans who all lined to hold a photo op to see who could bend down lower to kiss Khomeini's hands!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what Arash on Daneshjoo wrote in response to a similar comment:

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Go back and read the history of Egypt during the reign of Ramses and his predecessors. Then slowly move forward and proceed to read the history of ancient Persia, Greece(which although without ruling kings had strong authoratative gods) and then finish off with the roman empire.

Then study the human mind and the significance of symbols a little.

Then read all about the people of Iran in all their differences and then you just might start to realize why the unifying power of a symbolic monarchy is ever so important at this point in our history.

Rebuilding a country like Iran needs central authority and vision. It also needs a temporary boosting of nationalistic feelings and a sense of renewed power amd majesty in order to lift up people's spirits. A monarchy could achieve all those aims in one go. To the ancient people of Iran It would be a home comming that would be as natural as breathing in and out. -Arash
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My attitude is Monarchists are the most liberal of any opposition group.


One cannot disagree with the facts that Reza Pahlavi was much more better than the current mullahs, he had atleast some nationalist feeling to the opposite of mullahs who can only speak about islamic unity.
But lets face it Pahlavi was in no way democratic, the elections back then were just as election now; a sham. It cant be called an election, but an selection. The Pahlavi regime persecuted many political opposers as the mullahs do (but they didnt hang 16 year old girls).
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

reza phalavi never had a chance to show his power, i believe that the adversity which he has faced growing up will help him to become a much better leader and king than anyone else in the world today.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that the best way for Iran to realize democratic government would be to fully return to its Persian heritage - culturally speaking - not as a monarchy, however, but as a constitutional republic. Monarchies are usually the enemies of freedom, as they breed despots and dictators. However, in cases where you have a country in which the mentality brought on by feudalism is firmly ingrained (such as most of Europe and Asian countries like Japan), a constitutional monarchy is the best that can be reached; such nations need a national figure to rally around, a symbol of national unity. In free societies, that is all a king is good for.

Contrast that with West Asian countries like Iraq and Iran, and African countries like Sudan, South Africa, etc etc. Once countries like these shrug off the effects of European colonialism, and revert back to their original tribal heritage, they can arrive at a fully Libertarian form of government. Along those lines, the best way to combat the spread of extremist Islam throughout West Asia and sub-Saharan Africa is by allowing the different peoples of those geographical areas to maintain their distinct historical cultures and emerge as independent nations (in many cases, throwing away the mostly arbitrary borders set by Europe in Africa). While some nations (like France, Germany, and Russia) need a constitutional monarchy and will never be able to succeed under Libertarian government, other nations (like Iraq and Iran) most definitely can - if they accept their respective national heritages.

I recall that Prince Pahlavi once said that if the people of Iran wanted him as king, he would gladly rule and if they wanted him as president he would gladly serve; and if they wanted him to live as a civilian he would gladly accept private life. In that light, I hope the Iranian make the right decision and act in their best interests as a free, independent nation.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What kind of regime's killed the most people in the Twentieth Century?

Republics!

Stalin & the Soviet Union= Killed Over 32 million
Hitler & the German Republic= Killed Over 7 million
Khmer Rouge in Cambodia = Killed Over 2.2 million in the Killing Fields (the new adjusted figure)

What were the most brutal regimes of the Middle East in the last 25 years?

Republics

Iraq under Saddam Hussein (secular socialist)
Iran under the Mullah$ (leftist Islamists)
Afghanisatan under the Taliban (cave dwelling Wahabbists)


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From an article on the coming democracy domino effect in the ME
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Finally, the worldwide effect of transitions to democracy, in countries typically considered impossibly distant from one another, cannot be belied. Looking at the last quarter of the 20th century, we observe a process that began in Spain in 1975, with the death of dictator Francisco Franco. The Spanish business class and political elite carried out a peaceful process of democratization. Spain was only the first such instance


And what exactly did the Spanish business class and political elite do? They brought back the king, and after a century of civil war, political radicalism, death & destruction and fascism Spain became democratic, prosperous, stable and peaceful. Today Barcelona is the design capital of the world. Spain's real estate market is the most expensive in Europe. The population is living in a prosperous social democracy, and the return of the king made it all possible.

Mind you the decision to bring back the King in Spain was not popular with the left, or the intellectuals, but the Spanish people were destroyed by political radicalism just like Iranians are today, Centrism won out over leftist fashions, and that is why Spain was able to succeed. Leftism has not delivered a democratic or prosperous country yet! Today with RP its the same, Leftists may find the return of monarchy unfashionable, but its Centrism that will save Iran, not another 25 years of leftist, destructive, radical political experiements. Altho at this point, I alongside all other progressives find the notion of the left to be totally archaic, and the furthest possible thing from 'fashionable', not in this century anyways Laughing

Symbols as Arash has observed are very powerful, more powerful than anything else. I fully agree. King Juan Carlos proved that, and Spain's miraculous turnaround 25 years later is proof. To that same extent the destruction of monarchy in Iran was also a powerful symbol, and its results are sadly evident today Sad

I believe RP can become like Iran's King Juan Carlos. With RP as King, there is no doubt in my mind that Iran's turnaround will be as miraculous and wonderous as Spain's was after the return of the King.

I can't think of anyone better to project the new image of what Iran can be, its aspirations, hopes and potential to Iranains and the world better than Reza Pahalvi!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

like they say in Iran:

Ta Shah Barnagardad
Iran Abad Nagardad
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16371

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Today we Iranians are sitting amongst the ruins of twenty-five years of national turmoil. To prevail as a civilization we have to pick up the pieces and recreate our national trinity of God, the Shah and country for the democratic age of the twenty-first century. To think however that we can dissolve this trinity, reduce its number or concoct something else altogether instead is to repeat the folly of the Islamic revolutionaries.



A secular republic with no imaginative roots in our national consciousness for Iranians will be like a loveless marital contract full of clauses and sub-clauses but ultimately bereft of any binding emotional attachment or heartfelt yearning. We cannot build the future of our nation in a spiritual vacuum, forgoing its true sources of cultural inspiration and vitality.




Like I have always said there is a reason why the book that preserved our language and distinct indigineous culture despite many invasions is called the "Shanameh" and it involved stories of you guessed it, Persian Kings.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spenta wrote:
What kind of regime's killed the most people in the Twentieth Century?
Republics!
Stalin & the Soviet Union= Killed Over 32 million
Khmer Rouge in Cambodia = Killed Over 2.2 million in the Killing Fields (the new adjusted figure)


Socialist/Communist dictatorships can hardly be likened to constitutional republics.

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Hitler & the German Republic= Killed Over 7 million


The same goes for Fascist regimes...

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What were the most brutal regimes of the Middle East in the last 25 years?
Republics
Iran under the Mullah$ (leftist Islamists)
Afghanisatan under the Taliban (cave dwelling Wahabbists)


...as well as Theocratic Autocracies.

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Iraq under Saddam Hussein (secular socialist)


Again - a Socialist country can not likened to a constitutional republic. It's like saying that an Arab is a Persian - it just ain't so. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And neither can Constitutional Monarchies be compared to dictatorial monarchies so get real! Rolling Eyes

You assume only a single form of government, a Republic, can be democratic and that is short-sighted and oblivious to the facts. The facts remain the same, Republics overthrowing monarchies like the Soviet Union, the Khmer Rouge and the Islamic Republic of Iran turned out to be a thousand times worst! Study history instead of propoganda, you might actually learn something Rolling Eyes

The world's best examples of liberal socialist democracies with the lowest divisions between the haves and have nots are the Constitutional Monarchies of Europe!

Now put your head back deep in the sand like a good ostrich and repeat your zombie mantra of 'only a Republic can be democratic' , 'only a Republic can be democratic' ... and on and on
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spenta wrote:
And neither can Constitutional Monarchies be compared to dictatorial monarchies so get real! Rolling Eyes


I never compared the two. I only pointed out that the need for a symbol of national unity is a sign of weakness.

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You assume only a single form of government, a Republic, can be democratic and that is short-sighted and oblivious to the facts. The facts remain the same, Republics overthrowing monarchies like the Soviet Union, the Khmer Rouge and the Islamic Republic of Iran turned out to be a thousand times worst! Study history instead of propoganda, you might actually learn something Rolling Eyes


Again, republics by name only can not be used as examples of constitutional republicanism gone awry. Obviously, as the examples you mentioned were not democratic, they can not be republics. If you are really interested in understanding the republican dynamic within government, I suggest you read Plato's The Republic.

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The world's best examples of liberal socialist democracies with the lowest divisions between the haves and have nots are the Constitutional Monarchies of Europe!


I thought you were arguing for a constitutional monarchy. Rolling Eyes

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Now put your head back deep in the sand like a good ostrich and repeat your zombie mantra of 'only a Republic can be democratic' , 'only a Republic can be democratic' ... and on and on [/b] Laughing


Indeed.
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