[FREE IRAN Project] In The Spirit Of Cyrus The Great

[reza]

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[reza]

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Hating the US and the Shah usually seem to go hand in hand. being pro US and Pro Shah also usually go hand in hand.

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[quote="Eternal1]The Pahlavis represent a complete revesal of this.
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In terms of their Nationalism and love of Iran...

[reza]

no no no, although the respect of your response is admirable, i have been misunderstood.

Blank you are still an imbecile - just because i am anti mohammed reza shah, that does not mean i am anti - shah. I have a massive respect for the principles of monarchy and my greatest heroes are those of the ancient persian kings. I am critical of mohammed reza shah because he was a poor king. Ok he was compassionate to his people but that is excpected of a king - to be a truly good king you must go above and beyond this. i believe that england has never achieved the level of true kingship that iran has. Plus you didnt explain why your tiny intellect thought i was a tudeh...

Eternal1, i dont resent the pahlavi dynasty only mohammed pahlavi, i am a staunch supporter of his son, and i also believe that his father, reza shah was one of iran's greatest kings. perhaps i did not explain my views clearly enough...

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Look idiot Reza.....you are entitled to your moronic opinion...MRP did the best he could with the kind of ignorant population like you, and others that had little understanding of what was going on.....mut hud village your ass.....you have little understanding of the political situation during that time, something that Azadeh has described very well....again I do believe he made some mistakes, listened to bad advisors....yet turned Iran into a country that everyone was proud of saying I am "Iranian" unlike these bastard ragheads........And you are the kind of person that thinks Alexander the enemy of our cournty was "great" yet MRP is not good enough.......so with that kind of dumb mentality you are hopeless.

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More of my thoughts on why Iranians turned against the Shah...

I think some people today hate the Shah because they simply can't bring themselves to accept that the 1979 revolution happened for no good reason at all. It seems very dumb that a nation would rise up and revolt against an OK government. This hard to accept, but all indications show that this is what happened. I'm not saying the Shah was perfect, but during his time, the general trend was that our country was moving forward. Things were OK. We had peace and security and respect in the world. Certainly nothing that happened during that time was worthy of any kind of revolution, and definately not an Islamic revolution (there is never any good reason in the world to have an Islamic revolution; except maybe severe and demented forms of sadism and masochism). But it seems hard to accept that all these people during the past 25 years died for nothing. We made a revolution 25 years ago and threw out an OK government that was giving us jobs, peace, security, economic growth, and respect in the world and now we must have to make another revolution in order to get an OK government that can give us jobs, peace, security, and respect the world. After all this time, people are dying to get back to where they were 25 years ago. Forget 25 years ago. They would do anything for conditions to improve even a little bit. When I was in Iran, I heard people wishing that things go back to the times of the war! One woman in the line to buy chicken said at least with government coupons you could afford to buy certain things! Those poor people were even willing to settle for Khatami if it meant that the social repression would ease up just a little bit and there was the slightest chance that the economy would improve just a little and they would be able to get jobs. That's why a lot of people put faith in Khatami. They thought we made a revolution and we can't have two revolution in 2 decades and we have to fix this first revolution through Khatami's so-called "reforms". Of course reforms are not possible under this regime because the mullahsn't aren't interested in changing the status quo. This was just another trick by them to get the population behind them under the garb of "reforms" so that people wouldn't think of another revolution. And it's obvious that the war happened because of the revolution. We have all heard of how Saddam kissed the Shah's hand (some say his feet, but I think it was his hand) at the Algerian Conference and backed down on all his threats against Iran. It wasn't until after Khomeini started executing our armymen and weakening our military that Saddam saw the perfect opportunity to invade our country. This is a fact that escapes very few people. The fruit of the revolution is not just the total distruction of our country and the execution of over 100,000 people, but also the death of over one million during the war. It's very hard to accept that all of this happened for no good reason. It's easier to make a monster out of the Shah and to rationalize the 1979 revolution. They rationalize the Islamic part by telling themselves that the revolution was "stolen" by the mullahs. But this is simply not true. Khomeini was the leader of the revolution since the beggining. He was telling people were to show up for demonstrations!

By directing their anger at the Shah, some they don't have to face the fact that they destroyed their own country with their own hands for no reason.

[reza]

if you had any brains you would realise that i meant the phrase mud hut village as a totally distinct metaphor- not a description of iran at the time.

dont you understand what i am trying to tell you? i am not saying he was the worst king we have ever had, i am only saying that he is not as good as some make him out to be. He did his best i dont doubt that, but he still does not compare to a true king. This shah was not meant to lead, he was a good prince, if he were more like his father then this mess would never have happened. i do not hate mrp, a god description could be suggested - "that so good a man should be so bad a king" - unknown mp present at charles I funeral.
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