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Just because Alexander was'nt iranian does not mean he can't be a hero. How narrow minded can you be? Sure you can call him an arsonist, but xerxes burned a huge amount of Athens and Darius would have done the same if we were not defeated at marathon (due to practical technicalities).
Is there not even respect for his military skill and valour? all men of ancient times(with the single exception of cyrus the most great) Burned and pillaged where they conqured. Alexander did this once out of the hundreds of city's he conqured, is this not a moderation other conqurors you respect would disdain? the only reason you dennounce his honour is because he defeated the empire... 
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I for one am proud that the persian army was the only army ever to beat the macedonians in battle at the persian gates
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| reza wrote: | Just because Alexander was'nt iranian does not mean he can't be a hero. How narrow minded can you be? Sure you can call him an arsonist, but xerxes burned a huge amount of Athens and Darius would have done the same if we were not defeated at marathon (due to practical technicalities).
Is there not even respect for his military skill and valour? all men of ancient times(with the single exception of cyrus the most great) Burned and pillaged where they conqured. Alexander did this once out of the hundreds of city's he conqured, is this not a moderation other conqurors you respect would disdain? the only reason you dennounce his honour is because he defeated the empire... |
I am not going to continue this stupid discussion with you...for I am Persian and a petriot what matters to me is when he burned down the beautiful Takhte Jamshid he no longer is A HERO TO ME, and I don't care about other nations I am only talking about Iran. BUT IF YOU WANT TO CALL AN ENEMY OF OUR COUNTRY YOUR HERO THEN THAT IS YOUR PREROGATIVE. THE END. |
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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prejudices have always stood in the way of human intellectual progression
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| Only a very narrow mind refers to the feelings toward the enemy of ones country as "prejudiced"........ |
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I do not idolise him and praise his name, yet I can still respect his abilities, the fact that you cannot do this says more about your insecurity than your patriotism
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 7:17 am Post subject: bravo "reza" |
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| reza wrote: | | Contrary to popular belief here, Alexander was a merciful man and the burning of persepolis was an isolated anomaly, however barbaric it may seem, the persian army had burned and pillaged athens only a few decades before this, so we are not ones to speak of barbarism and culture because every single culture in the world has had a barbaric side to their customs. Alexander was merciful to his enemies and often kept persians in charge of the satrapies which he conquered. He was a military genius, but he could have easily defeated by a king who was not a coward, such as shapur II. Just because alexander defeated the persian empire, we must not hold grudges against his character, because that in effect is barbarism. As an iranian I respect his military skills but I also look down on his destruction of persepolis. But his one act of rage can only stain his character not consume it. |
reza, you seem 2 b the only one here who knows about history.
Assuming history is better than claiming blindely that Persians were superior, greeks were barbarian (etc.)
Fact is, like you explained to the others, Persians burned Acropolis way back before Alexander or any Greek even entered in Persia... So I am glad that I finally found somebody who seems to agree with me.
Anyway, the topic is about Rosario Dawson as Roxane. And that the beautiful actress doesn't look Persian at all. |
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Hyrcanian,
| Quote: | What happened to the "tall, blue-eyed, beautiful Persian women", whom the Greek Historian Xenephon smugly wrote about..?
Still today, famous directors believe that, even our ancestors, the mighty Indo-European-Persians, looked like Hispanics or light-skinned Arabs..... oH! Persians, 2500 years ago, were of a pure ancestry, qualified as "Caucasian" (since the oldest Iranian settlers were found in Caucasia...). Rosario Dawson rather looks like a north-African or Sri Lankan, but certainly not like our beloved and cherished “Roshanak”....
I have, many years, wondered and fantasized about Alexander and Roxanne (since my fiancé is Greek...Coincidence? history repeats itself...). So I really went to look for some infos about Greeks and their relations to Iranians. |
You are so ill-informed and brainwashed by 'blond nordic' propaganda.
The ancient Persians weren't blond Germans. This myth is propogated by white supremacists who want to believe that the creators of civilization; Greeks, Mesopotomians and Persians, were blond blued eyed noble White invaders, who over generations of interbreeding with "lesser" natives, lost their genetic purity.
Read this critique of nordic-centric ideas of Greek origins:
http://www.geocities.com/dienekesp/hellenes.html
A certain measure of naivete can excuse claims of the alleged blondeness of the ancient Greeks. Sometimes, the common-sense explanation of literary descriptions is conveniently discounted, and a generalization from sporadic references to blondes in ancient literature is performed without much thought. In an oft-used example, Orestes' hair is described as fair, in Sophocles' Electra as a dramatic device aiding Electra's recognition of her brother from a lock of his hair on her father Agamemnon's tomb. Clearly, if Orestes was depicted as brunet, the common Greek color, it would be impossible for Electra to identify him. Similarly, Demeter, the goddess of the corn is described as light-haired (xanthe) and so is Apollo, the god of light and the sun. Poseidon, the sea god is dark-haired (kuanochaites), as is Hades, god of the underworld, while Eos, the Dawn goddess is rosy-fingered (rhododaktylos).
There are all but four mortals in the Iliad who are described as xanthoi. From this scanty evidence, the generalization "the Achaeans were blonde" is arrived by the Nordicists. Does the absence of descriptions of brunets signify that there were no brunets in the southernmost extremity of Europe in Mycenaean times? Clearly, such a thesis overlooks the common use of color terms as distinctive attributes of their possessors. It is more reasonable to think that Menelaos and Achilleus are described as xanthoi, while hundreds of other heroes are not as indicative that these two possessed a trait which was otherwise uncommon, i.e., light pigmentation of hair. The same can be said for light eyes as well, and e.g., Athena's light eyes caused the scorn of Hera and Aphrodite in a text by Hyginus who presumably did not have such eyes (Hyginus, Fabulae, Marsyas).
We must also dispel the notion that xanthos always refers to yellow hair, or that purros refers to purely red hair. For the former, we note that Aristophanes used xanthizein to describe roasting meat, which of course does not turn yellow. Additionally, Strabo uses xanthotrichein and leukotrichein (making hair xanthon and making hair "white") indicating that xanthon was a darker shade than extremely fair hair. George Cedrenus uses it to describe the eyes of the Virgin (xanthommaton); eyes are rarely yellow, unless jaundiced, which seems unlikely in this case. In modern Greek it may be used to describe any color short of black [22]. In ancient Greek, according to Barbara Fowler [28] was any color short of black or dark brown, while Wace [22] believes that it may have been at most auburn. Color terms are notoriously relative; xanthos may only be taken to mean the fair end of the Greek hair continuum, not blond. This impression is enhanced by the descriptions of northern European hair as polios (gray, usually of old people) or leukon (white) to be found in Greek literature (Diodorus Siculus, Adamantius Judaeus).
As for purros it is noteworthy that the common Greek words for fiery red eruthros is not employed for hair, while purros is given by Aelius Herodianus (Partitiones 115, 10) for the color of eyes. Human eyes are never red, or so-called strawberry blond, but they are often of a brown tint mixed with red. It is certain that at least in some cases, reddish brown is intended, while in others, as e.g., in describing German hair, reddish blond may be appropriate, given the known pigmentation of Germans. It must also be remembered that no ethnic taxon of man is recorded as being primarily red-headed. Therefore, purros means having a red tinge, it does not mean redhead.
It would be worthwhile to quote here in full, the opinion of British anthropologist John Beddoe [34]. Beddoe studied thousands of Britons and continental Europeans, and comparing his designations with that of other observers, came to realize the relativity of color terms:
Thus almost all French anthropologists say that the majority of persons in the north of France are blond; whereas almost all Englishmen would say they were dark, each set of observers setting up as a standard what they are accustomed to see around them when at home. What is darkish brown to most Englishmen would be chestnut in the nomenclature of most Parisians, and perhaps even blond in that of Auvergne or Provence; an ancient Roman might probably have called it sufflavus or even flavus. |
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| Quote: | reza, you seem 2 b the only one here who knows about history.
Assuming history is better than claiming blindely that Persians were superior, greeks were barbarian (etc.)
Fact is, like you explained to the others, Persians burned Acropolis way back before Alexander or any Greek even entered in Persia... So I am glad that I finally found somebody who seems to agree with me.
Anyway, the topic is about Rosario Dawson as Roxane. And that the beautiful actress doesn't look Persian at all. |
I am so sorry Hycarnian princess for running off the topic, i just wanted to show that history always has two sides, and by adopting one of these sides we instantly see history through a bias. By the way you also seem to know your history, do you know much about roxana, because every book I have read seems to skip over her as a princess of Bactria or another province of the empire, Was she persian? Don't take offence any of you "patriots" I just want to learn what I can.
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Hi reza!
Thanx for your interest!
According to history, the Persians "colonialized" most parts of Central Asia. Therefore, Persian Nobles and aristocrat ruled those lands. You can therefore assume that anybody with such titles as King/Queen, Prince/Princess would be of Persian ancestry.
I've read that Roxane/Rushanak/Roshaniâ was the daughter of a Persian King named Oxyartes of Bactria. Many Ethnicities lived in Bactria (as subjects) back then, such as: Dahae (Asian tribe), Scyhtians and Dravidian people. But Roxane was of Persian ancestry. That is for sure. She was one of the reasons why Alexander adopted persianism instead of fighting it (he got “iranised”).
During the renaissance and the 18th century, many artists inspired their “romantic” paintings on Alexander and Roxane, their wedding and their union.
But I’d love to have more infos about Roxane: how she looked like, how she met him etc. etc. |
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Thanx thats vey interesting 
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| reza wrote: | | I do not idolise him and praise his name, yet I can still respect his abilities, the fact that you cannot do this says more about your insecurity than your patriotism |
I wonder if you respect Khomenie's abilities....he was also the enemey of our country........that would show you are very SECURE  |
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| reza wrote: | | Thanx thats vey interesting |
You're welcome  |
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Blank when your argument has been smashed to pieces concerning alexander, all you can do is try to call me IRI? that is very sad indeed.  .
It is a persian tradition throughout the ages to honour one's enemies who fought bravely, Alexander was one of these men.
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