[FREE IRAN Project] In The Spirit Of Cyrus The Great

[9karevatan]

A nation that upholds God's laws is guaranteed prominence among the nations of the world, victory, prosperity, and happiness (10:62-64, 16:97, 24:55, 41:30-31).
On the other hand, a nation that violates God's laws incurs a miserable life (20:124).
A nation that upholds God's laws is guaranteed to be a great nation. This is not a mere idealistic dream; since God is in full control (10:61), His guarantees and promises are done. A nation that upholds God's laws is characterized by:

1. Maximum freedom for the people - freedom of religion, freedom of expression, freedom to travel, and freedom of economy (2:256, 10:99, 88:21-22).

2. Guaranteed human rights for all the people, regardless of their race, color, creed, social status, financial situation, or political affiliation (5:8, 49:13).

3. Prosperity for all the people. God's economic system is based on constant circulation of wealth, no usury, and productive investment. Non-productive economy such as gambling, lottery, and high interest loans are not permitted (2:275-7, 59:7).

4. Social justice for all. Because of the obligatory charity (Zakat), no one will go hungry or -sheltered (2:215, 70:24-25, 107:1-7).

5. A political system that is based on unanimous consensus. Through mutual consultation and freedom of expression, one side of any given issue convinces all participants in the discussion. The end result is a unanimous agreement, not the opinion of a 51% majority rammed down the throat of the 49% minority (42:3.

6. A society that upholds and maintains the highest standards of moral behavior. There will be a strong family, no alcoholism, no illicit drugs, no illegitimate pregnancies, no abortions, and practically no divorce.

7. Maximum regard for people's lives and properties. Therefore, there will be no crime against the people's lives or properties.

8. Prevalence of love, courtesy, peace, and mutual respect among the people, and between this nation and other world communities (3:110, 60:8-9).

9. Environmental protection is guaranteed through conservation and prohibition of wasteful practices (30:41).
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[9karevatan]

Fighting in the cause of God is one of the most misunderstood issues in Islam (Submission), even by those who consider themselves Muslims. Many of the so called "Muslim" scholars have confused the issue by their personal opinion that has NO support in the Quran. Most of these deviant opinions originate from false teachings found in the books of Hadiths and sunna. Hadiths and sunna books are a collection of fabricated stories about prophet Muhammed that have all kinds of cruel inhumane and corrupted opinions that contradict the Quran, contradict itself, and contradict as well any common sense. Most of the corruption we see in the "Muslim" world today comes from these man made books that were collected over 200 years after the death of Prophet Muhammed. Prophet Muhammed himself never advocated any books but the Quran and even instructed his followers NOT to write or collect such books. Please see our Hadiths and Sunna section for details. Prophet Muhammed himself NEVER waged any war except for self defense and never lived except by the peaceful words of God in the Quran.

Quran defines clearly for the believers what is it , the cause of God. First we have to realize some very important concepts about war and peace in the Quran.

(1)God condemns aggression in the Quran (2:190-191). This doesn’t mean that we should not defend ourselves when we are being attacked. And this is the only time you will find believers fight others, when they themselves are being attacked, aggressed upon. Believers will never initiate war, or an aggression. The Quran is a fully detailed book, which provides us with guidance on how to deal with all kinds of situations we encounter in this life. One of those situations are war. Thus God gives us very exact guidelines on how to behave in those situations. A commonly quoted verse is 9:5. It is a verse that deals with a situation of war. The believers have been attacked, and their enemy has broken a peaceful truce, and they are told how to defend themselves.

[9:5]Once the Sacred Months are past, (and they refuse to make peace) you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. If they repent and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), you shall let them go. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

(2) Whenever possible we should resort to peace.Throughout the Quran, God teaches us that whenever possible we should resort to peace.

[8:61.3] If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.
[9:4] If the idol worshipers sign a peace treaty with you, and do not violate it, nor band together with others against you, you shall fulfill your treaty with them until the expiration date. GOD loves the righteous.
[4:90] …if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then GOD gives you no excuse to fight them. As we also read in 9:6, even people with different belief than our own, during the actual war situation, is to be granted safe passage with us if he seeks it.
[9:6] If one of the idol worshipers sought safe passage with you, you shall grant him safe passage, so that he can hear the word of GOD, then send him back to his place of security. That is because they are people who do not know.

(3) Whenever attacked, defend yourselves; As much as any civilized nation would do, e.g. USA today, God gave the believers the right to defend themselves if resorting to peaceful means did not work out and they are still attacked, as we clearly see in 47:4. This verse deals with a war situation, in a situation where the believers are under attack.
[47:4] If you encounter (in war) those who disbelieve, you may strike the necks. If you take them as captives you may set them free or ransom them, until the war ends. Had GOD willed, He could have granted you victory, without war. But He thus tests you by one another. As for those who get killed in the cause of GOD, He will never put their sacrifice to waste.

Some expressed concerns about the allegorical expression of "strike the necks". It is an indication of the severity of the war and the attacks where the believers should not save any means of legitimate weapon to defeat those who attacked them. Those who watched the America bombing of the terrorists in Afghanistan using all that the American arsenal has would understand this expression.

Again in self defense God commands, [9:29] You shall fight back against those who do not believe in GOD, nor in the Last Day, nor do they prohibit what GOD and His messenger have prohibited, nor do they abide by the religion of truth - among those who received the scripture - until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly. As we again learn from this verse and the other verses, the fighting only occurs when being aggressed against.

(4) Fighting in the cause of God;
[4:75] Why should you not fight in the cause of GOD when weak men, women, and children are imploring: "Our Lord, deliver us from this community whose people are oppressive, and be You our Lord and Master."

Those who believe fight in the cause of God. What that means is that they fight according to God’s commandments. God’s commandments forbids aggression, calls for peace but allows self defense. God’s commandments tells us that there shall be no compulsion in religion, His commandments tells us that we should offer maximum freedom and equal rights to all people, regardless of their belief or lifestyle. Those who disbelieve on the other hand, they fight in the cause of Tyranny: oppression, dictatorship, domination, autocracy, despotism, absolutism, cruelty, totalitarianism.

[4:76] Those who believe are fighting for the cause of GOD, while those who disbelieve are fighting for the cause of tyranny. Therefore, you shall fight the devil's allies; the devil's power is nil.

(5) Non military Fighting in the cause of God; In principle, the believers want to have guaranteed freedom, freedom of worship for them and for all those who live with them, freedom of expression, freedom of trade and move. The freedom to be treated equally in the land with no discrimination as a result of color, age, gender or beliefs.

Fighting in the cause of God therefore does not have to be a military fighting but the student of the Quran will strongly realize that such military fighting should be the exception. A very important teaching in the Quran is to strife to be strong, not to be an aggressor ,but to prevent others from aggressing against you.

[8:60] You shall prepare for them all the power you can muster, and all the equipment you can mobilize, that you may frighten the enemies of GOD, your enemies, as well as others who are not known to you; GOD knows them. Whatever you spend in the cause of GOD will be repaid to you generously, without the least injustice.

All the super powers in our world today, USA, China, Russia..etc are following this rule. None of the so called "Muslim" countries has been able to follow his rule as they have deserted most of the Quranic rules.

In our civilized world today, the power of the pen is stronger and more effective than the power of the bullet. A bullet or a bomb may affect a group of people at a certain location, while the pen can reach all over the globe, e.g.the Internet, where people have the complete freedom to accept or reject any stated idea. Fighting in the cause of God has gone a long way and a message like the one you are reading now is seen around the globe and read by people who speak different languages as the computers changed the face of the world. The prediction of the advent of the computer in the Quran, 72:28, has been a landmark of the miracle of the Quran. Yes, we can fight oppression and aggression around the world as we are commanded in the Quran by the pen, one of the most peaceful way of achieving global results and understanding.

[ 96:1-5] Read, in the name of your Lord, who created. He created man from an embryo. Read, and your Lord, Most Exalted. Teaches by means of the pen. He teaches man what he never knew.
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[9karevatan]

Terrorism and Islam
[Quran 7:28] They commit a gross sin, then say,
"We found our parents doing this, and GOD
has commanded us to do it." Say,
"GOD never advocates sin.
Are you saying about GOD
what you do not know?"

Terrorists have attacked again, and this time at the center of our world, New York City and Washington DC. It is a deplorable and horrendous act that can never be condoned by any God fearing people. Like many other attacks in the past, the terrorists are linked to groups that abuse the name and laws falsely attributed to Islam to commit crimes that are abhorred and strongly condemned by God in the Quran.

While all the known religions of the world call for LOVE, PEACE, TOLERANCE, FREEDOM OF BELIEF AND MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING, many of the terrorists' acts are committed in this world by people who consider themselves religious.

[Quran 7:28] They commit a gross sin, then say, "We found our parents doing this, and GOD has commanded us to do it." Say, "GOD never advocates sin. Are you saying about GOD what you do not know?"

Like all the other religions of God, Islam (Submission in English) promotes peace, love and harmony among the people. Actually the word "Islam" in addition to meaning submission (to God), is also derived from the Arabic word Salam (peace). The Muslims (Submitters) greet other people by saying Salaam (Peace be upon you).

[Quran 49:13]"O people, we created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes, that you may recognize one another. The best among you in the sight of GOD is the most righteous. GOD is Omniscient, Cognizant. "

The religion of Islam (Submission in English), advocates freedom, peace and mutual agreement and admonishes aggression.

[Quran 5:87] ... and do not aggress; GOD dislikes the aggressors.

[Quran: 7:199] ......You shall resort to pardon, advocate tolerance, and disregard the ignorant.

The relations of Muslims (Submitters) with others are based primarily on peace, mutual respect and trust. The theme in the Quran is peace as long as there is no oppression or injustice that cannot be resolved by all the peaceful means available.

The religion of Islam forbids the killing of innocent people, irrespective of the cause - religious, political or social beliefs.

Quran, the Muslims' holy book and scripture declares;

[Quran 6:151] "...... You shall not kill - GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. These are His commandments to you, that you may understand."

[Quran17:33] "You shall not kill any person - for GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. ....."

The laws of the previous scriptures that applied to previous generations and current generation are repeated and emphasied for the Muslims (Submitters) in the Quran. Muslims (Submitters) are commanded to follow such laws. Quran reiterates ;.

[Quran 5:32] "......, we decreed for the Children of Israel that anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people. .............."

The religion of Islam condemns the killing or even the persecution of people merely because they embrace a different religion. The Quran mandates the absolute freedom of religion in a society. It does not allow Muslims to fight except for self defense and to enforce peace. It does not allow restrictions on those who disagree on religious matters. It urges the Muslims to treat such people kindly and equitably:

[Quran 2:256] "There shall be no compulsion in religion...".

[Quran 60:8]"GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable."

[Quran 8:61]"If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient."

[Quran 4:90]"...... Therefore, if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then GOD gives you no excuse to fight them."

Regrettably, many terrorists groups have used the name Islam to promote their cause and this gave many non-Muslims a chance to asperse Islam and label the Muslims as terrorists. Deliberately ignored on the other hand, are terrorists who happen to be Christians or Jews.

With all the great laws established on earth by God or man, the evil among the human being, will find a way to abuse, distort or misinterpret them. This does not make these laws evil but rather proves the evil nature of these criminals.

Terrorism as an act of violence has been committed by people from all religious and political backgrounds. Terrorists who happened to be Christians ( e.g. in Bosnia, England, Ireland, Germany, Spain...etc.) and thsoe who happened to be Jewish (e.g. in Israel, Palestine and Lebanon) used their religious beliefs to claim legitimacy for the violence and terrorism they commit. Thousands of women, children and men, young and old have been killed in attempts to achieve or hold on to special interests whether political, social or "religious" .

Those who do not comprehend Islam and those who have an interest in distorting the truth about the religion of Islam, have been trying to make the word terrorists and terrorism synonymous to the religion. A mistake that had been common in the media in the West.

Several groups who called themselves Jews, Christians or Muslims, have used terrorism to force their agenda, issues or beliefs. None of these groups represent the true religion of the Jews or the Christians as much as these terrorists represent Islam.

Attacks on the civilians and the least expecting people around the world by these groups is the kind of strife that cannot be justified by any religion or under any cause and is strongly condemned in all religions including Islam as clarified by the words of God in the Quran, the Final Testament.

Some of the terrorist groups which massacre innocent people consider themselves martyrs. Those who kill the innocent people in the name of their religion or the name of God, who think of themselves as martyrs should think twice. Their act is actually strongly condemned by God in the the verses of the Quran. These people are disobeying God's commandments and the TRUTH in the Quran. Instead they blindly follow the opinion of their corrupted leaders (and scholars). It is not a surprise that God has not granted them victory. Quite the contrary they have been the most humiliated, defeated and oppressed people on earth. Worse, they are oppressed by their own rulers.

The Quran is very clear that the believers must defend themselves but never to aggress. It is true that Islam (Submission) calls for the followers to be strong. This call however is to use the strength to secure peace, provide freedom for the society and the country but never to agress unless agressed upon.

Our Creator is one and the same. The God of the Muslims is the same God of the Jews and the Christians and all the other religions. God does not permit one group the killing of innocent people of the other religions.

The blame lies with the terrorists and not the religion they claim to adhere to. Not everyone who calls himself a Muslim is a Muslim as much as not every one who thinks of himself as a Jew or a Christian is one.

The religion of Islam should not be confused by what these so called Muslims have done. They actually, by the definition of the Quran, are not Muslims or at least as much Muslims as the Ku Klux Klan are good Christians. We should not let our emotions overcome our logic and understanding.

United we stand against all kinds of terrorism , as only through unity will we be able to eradicate them and bring them to justice. We will serve the terrorists cause by name calling and false accusations of everyone who happens to be a TRUE God fearing Muslim.
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iran iranam iraaanam
ke az to daram in jaanam
janam fadayat
mikhanam
payande baadi IRANam!!!!!!!

[American Visitor]

9karevatan,

Nice posts. I have some questions you perhaps answered but I missed.

1. How do you handle the polygamy issue? I can see it might work on those rare occasions when there is a big surplus of women, but under most circumstances it is very destructive.

2. Do submitters practice family control?

3. Do you support complete separation of church and state with democracy?

[American Visitor]

Guest,

Do you remember who Saddam's debt was owed to? When the US asked for debt relief for Iraq I believe the biggest portion of the debt was owed to Saudi Arabia, Russia, France etc. The following source shows where most of the money came from: http://www.economist.com/finance/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1683923 The US was apparently not a big creditor. This article says Saddam owed the US 2 billion dollars which is less than 2% of the total: http://www.iie.com/publications/papers/truman0403.htm

As you have noted in your posts, Saddam approached many countries to buy arms. The US is not on the list you provided for some reason.

Perhaps Iraq was on the verge of defeat in 1982. It certainly appears Saddam had a discipline problem to say the least.

Actually the US was not defeated in Vietnam, the US had a strong peace movement which undermined the war effort. However, this was not my point. Iraq and Iran were fighting a conventional war and were quite evenly matched. If the US had actually come in on one side, that side would have easily won. I think of it like a balance which has even weights on both sides. If you add a weight on one side it easily tips that direction.

I think we are finally getting to your point. Do you have a conspiracy theory that the US was actually an ally of Saddam and we had asked him to attack Iran? Unless that is your point, I don't see how Saddam's war with Iran could be considered a success by any standards.

[Manhattan Island]

what a waste of time.
good luck with that thing, ok American Visitor.
hey you should suit up and head over to Iraq! What are you doin wasting your time chatting with this neo-liberal conspiracy theorist?! Go git em'! Bring 'em on huh?!

[Manhattan Island]

what a waste of time.
good luck with that thing, ok American Visitor.
hey you should suit up and head over to Iraq! What are you doin wasting your time chatting with this neo-liberal conspiracy theorist?! Go git em'! Bring 'em on huh?!

[9karevatan]

[Guest]

American Visitor,

Before I reply to your last post, there is something interesting about the article that you referenced earlier.

"But if the U.S. simply wanted to discourage an Iranian attack, it could have done this more easily by telling Iran of <b>Washington's contingency plans to use U.S. air power in the event of an Iranian breakthrough against Iraq</b>.

-Stork & Wenger, 'U.S. Ready to Intervene...,' pp. 47-48, citing _Newsday_, 20 May 1984."

http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/ShalomIranIraq.html

Doesn't this indicate that Washington was actually ready to go to war with Iran, to defend Iraq?

[Guest]

I'll reply in detail to the rest later.

[American Visitor]

9karevatan,

I think you are a bit of a dreamer. I've never heard of any group reaching a concensus on much of anything. Unfortuantely 51% is the best we can do at times. In the US we do have a constitution which requires much closer to a concensus to change. That is why it is so rarely changed.

Guest,

I'm still not sure where this is headed. There were many countries much more involved in the Iran-Iraq war than the US, so why are you singling out the US for discussion? The real blame for the war belongs to the dictators who ruled both countries at the time and didn't mind sacrificing many young lives for their vanity.

I believe we are in agreement that the US was not completely neutral and certainly didn't want Iran to take over Iraq. Seeing how corrupt the Mullahs are, I think that was a wise observation. However, we were not major players so far as I can tell.

Do you still consider the US to be the "Great Satan" and are looking for evidence to hate us?

[American Visitor]

Guest,

I'm getting your point. Even though at that time we didn't have diplomatic relations with Saddam and had supplied him with no weapons, and didn't support him in any way, we were responsible for his attack on Iran. Makes a lot of sense to me.

As I recall Jimmy Carter left office while Iran was still holding American hostages. I don't recall that the Iran Iraq war had started yet. I have read that it is difficult to place an exact beginning to the war since there had been skirmishes from time to time. So if there was any truth to this memo perhaps Jimmy Carter had been notified of one of the skirmishes.

Incidentally, if that memo was correct, Israel was supplying Iran with parts in 1981. Israel doesn't always follow the American lead, but if the US was upset about this there is no indication. Doesn't seem to fit the theory that we were siding with Iraq throughout the war. Because the US is a secular country with religious freedom, it appears we didn't understand the true danger to world peace the Islamic fundamentalists pose.

[Guest]

[Guest]

[American Visitor]

guest,

My point was that Jimmy Carter had not supplied Iraq with weapons and had no diplomatic reltaions with them. That greenlight thing means nothing so far as I can tell. You seem to have a theory that Saddam was our ally or something which you have shown no evidence to support.

The Korean war couldn't be considered a defeat by any means. South Korea is free and ungrateful just as the French are free and anti-American. When people feel free to hate us that shows they feel quite secure under the American unbrella. The Bay of Pigs event was never a serious thing so far as I'm concerned except for the people who were actually involved. I don't think Kennedy ever put much time or effort into it. I don't recall anyone saying the Vietnam war was going to be quick and easy, that is your own addition.

So far you have failed to support your contention that the US was a major player in the Iran Iraq war. However, I do appreciate your research since it helps me know better just what information is available. The true villans in that war were Saddam and Khomeini ofcourse who actually did have power to end the war whenever they wanted.

I have a conspiracy theory for you to think about. What if Saddam and Khomeini knew their economies were doing poorly and used the war to occupy and deplete the number of jobless young men? Send the men to war and you don't have them hanging around with nothing to do except think about freedom. I think both of those men were evil enough to do just that.