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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 1:40 pm    Post subject: Are Persians Ready to Leave Islam? Reply with quote

Are Persians Ready to Leave Islam?
Sep 30, 2002

Dear Dr. Sina,

I am a 21 year old persian girl who rejected Islam
from the time I was very little. I did not need to
read the Koran to know that there is nothing but
violence and hate in it. But this is only because I
had enlightened parents who informed me about the true
face of Islam. But sadly even they believe in the same
scary and vengeful god that is mentioned in the Koran.

I agree with your position that some people like you
and I are mature enough to only need their own sense
of morality and right and wrong to guide them through
life. We live by the golden rule. But for a lot of
people, including my own parents, the need to believe
in a god is rooted in their need to believe that there
is someone out there to look out for them, someone to
make wrongs right. It terrifies them to think that
they are alone in this world.

Dr. Sina, I agree with your position that some people
need to believe in god and others don't. But you seem
to be under the impression that humans as a group are
ready to reject all superstition, and I have seen on a
number of occasions you say that the people of Iran
will be the first nation to reject religion and become
enlightened secularists. You seem to think that
persians are undergoing a renaissance. I do agree with
you that many persians are turned off by Islam; but
because they are terrified to having no faith at all,
most of them will remain muslem unless a good
alternative comes up.

I also believe that having a secular society is
dangerous because it leaves a gap in our society so
that 100 or 200 years from now Islam or some other
cult can raise its ugly head once again and we will be
in the same mess that we are in right now. If our
Zoroastian ancesstor had been more "fanatic" about
their religon and were not willing to give up Ahura
Mazda, figuring all gods are the same, maybe our
nation wouldn't be were it is now. Let us remember
that people have founght against Islam and won. I mean
Look at India, look at Spain. I am saying that if were
as religous as the Europeans or the Hindus, we
wouldn't be known as terrorist in the world right now,
and we wouldn't be photographed and finger printed and
treated like potential suspects at airports all around
the world.

I would like to say that I appriciate your courage to
speak out against the violence and the hatred that you
have seen in Islam. I do believe that we are
witnessing a drastic change in the attitude of
Iranians toward Islam, but I don't think Iran will
turn secular anytime soon. I think more and more
Iranians are thinking about who they were before Islam
came along. They think about King Cyrus who wrote the
World's first human's rights declaration, how slavery
was totally abolished from our country 2500 years ago,
about how Women rule our nation, about how unlike the
Pyramids and the Wall of China and many other
monuments, Perspolis was built by paid workers and not
by slaves (They have archaeological proof of this).
They also think about how their country is known as
the world's leading sponser of terrorism and part of
the "axis of evil". They think about were they were
and were they are now. I do not think persians are
going to turn atheist or agnostic. But I think that
they will replace the cult of Islam with a more
humanistic religion. There are many obsticles however.
The majority of persians do not speak Avesta, and they
may find current Zoroatrism faith to be very archaic
and even a little superstitous. Many believe that
Zoroatrians do not accept converts (not true). Many
believe that Zoroastrian worship two gods, some even
believe they worship fire (also not true). The few
that have read Avesta (in English) have said that the
message in very philosophical and thought provoking.
The impression that they got was that it was a lot
like Buddhism and other Eastrern philosophies. There
are many organizations right now that are attempting
to modernize Zoroaterism and they do accept converts.
Many people are beggining to celebrate the forgotten
holidays of their ancestor. Happy Mehrgan by the way!

Once again I want to thank you for having the courage
to put up this site. Well knowing how busy you
probably are I'll stop rambling on now. Let me know
what you think about all of this. Let's hope for
better times for our country. Oh by the way, did you
live under the Islamic Repulic regime of Iran? Were
you pretty religous before you found out what Islam
truly stood for? I mean you read the Koran in its
entirety in Arabic, now many persians can do that.
Well let me know. Bye for now.

Payande Iran



Dear Anahita

Anytime I receive a message like yours from a young
Iranian and smell the fragrance of love of Iran from
it, my heart is rejoiced because I know that this
tempest will be over soon and the new generation of
Iranians will rebuild my beloved country.

I feel proud when I see Iranian kids who have never
seen Iran are so much attached to her and value her
rich culture. Yes indeed we have to be very proud of
our heritage for it was full of humanism. But the
darkness of this long night that lasted for 1400 years
is close to the end. I see in our new generation the
morning stars and I know that our sun of Mitra is
dawning again very soon. The days of happiness are
ahead of us. We will be a free people again. “Free at
last!… Free at last!”

Yes I do believe that Iran is going through a
metamorphosis. Remember that over 70% of Iranians are
youths. This generation has seen the evil of Islam and
is the one that wants change. They cannot be fooled by
the Jumbo Mumbo of religious dogma especially that of
Islam. Christianity and other religions have some
spirituality and therefore some appeal with the youth.
What does Islam have for the young generation?

In order for Islam to flourish and even survive it
needs someone to hate. That is why Islam is still
going strong in Palestine, Pakistan, and most of Arab
countries. They have Jews, Hindus, and Americans to
hate. But Iranians do not hate anyone anymore. We
passed that phase in the 70s and 80s. At that time we
hated the Shah and we hated America and that was why
Islam was so strong. Today the new generations of
Iranians hate only their oppressors who happen to be
those who impose Islam on them. Islam has become
synonymous with deceit, with betrayal with torture,
with imprisonments, with flogging, with stoning, with
plucking the eyes and with executions. Even the
parents of these kids who made the revolution now are
repentant and regret for trusting the Mullahs and are
realizing that Islam was nothing but a hoax, an
instrument of subjugation and deceit.

The Mullahs desperately are launching anti
America/Anti Israel slogans in the hope to revive the
hate and rekindle the dying flames of Islam. But their
efforts are aborted by Iranians. The people poured in
the streets by thousands, lit candles to express their
solidarity with the victims of 9/11, wept and shouted
“death to terrorist”. When Iranians celebrate the 4th
of July, what message do you think they are trying to
send?

When you visit any Iranian forum online you can see
that Islam’s attraction for Iranians is over. After
the fall of this brutal regime, no matter what
constitution or polity Iran may choose, it will allow
the freedom to criticize Islam. The forces of
opposition oppose Islam too. Islam can only survive
through lies, censorship and violence. When that is
taken away, it will crumble in few short years. Many
Islamic countries are not ready for that to happen
yet. But Iran is ready. However once Iran falls, Islam
falls. Iran has been rightly called the lynchpin of
the Middle East and indeed the whole Islamic world.
Even the present rise of Islamism that has infested
the world, has its roots in Iran. Since the begging
Iran has been the undisputed trendsetter in the Middle
East. Every Islamic philosophical thought is generated
from Iran.

Today we have a powerful tool in our hands and that is
the Internet. Internet may have changed the way people
do business in the West, but its impact in Islamic
countries, where thoughts have traditionally been
censored, is more than revolutionary.

Of course Internet is just a vehicle. It requires
dedicated people, especially coming from within
Muslims to take advantage of this vehicle and make
that revolution happen. Those people are coming forth
and this revolution is taking momentum.

You spoke about a replacement to Islam. That is not up
to me to suggest. Each person will have to choose his
or her own spiritual path according to his or her own
maturity and needs. Zoroastrianism for Iranians has
some lure. It reminds us of our past glory but it must
be revised and modernized. Christianity is another
option, although it certainly is not a religion of
choice for most intellectuals. Bahai Faith is also a
modern religion with many excellent social and
spiritual teachings. But Iranians do not favor it.
They blame it for trying to perpetuate the lie about
Islam being a legitimate religion. Also the
administrative order of the Bahai Faith is so rigidly
structured that its spirituality has been lost. I
think many would be inclined towards oriental
philosophies such as Buddhism that as Albert Einstein
said, is the only religion compatible with science.
However my hunch is that the majority of Iranians
would choose humanism, with or without the belief in a
god.

What is certain is that Islam will lose its monopoly
in Iran and after the fall of the Islamic regime a
pluralistic society will emerge. Islam will be rapidly
weakened while other religions and philosophies will
gain ground. Pluralism is better than uniformity.
Imposition of any religion or doctrine including
atheism is a huge mistake. Humanity will eventually
find its way but its freedom of choice mush be
guaranteed. I am not advocating secularism as a
substitute to religion.

I am advocating secular governments. Let people choose
the religion that they like, but state should be free
of religion. And to assure that neither Islam nor any
other religion may one day become the dominant
religion of the majority and of the state, freedom of
speech must be guaranteed and the right to criticize
any religion or doctrine be enshrined in our
constitution. With that, religions will eventually die
out and reason will prevail.

Thank you for writing to me. My heart is filled with
joy to see Iran is alive in the hearts of young
Iranians.

Payandeh Iran

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another great article by Amil Imani/b



Dear Iranians: Have the Courage to Say No to Islam
By: Amil Imani

Nearly 1400 years ago, a group of nomads from across the scorching Arabian Desert conquered Iran (Persia), the greatest empire known to the history of mankind. With that, they injected their Islamic virus into the veins of their victim: the Iranian people.

Isn’t it time for the Iranians, in a show of solidarity, to stand shoulder to shoulder with the civilized free people of the world to defeat this virulent disease of Islam? In most other lands conquered by Islam, the conquered peoples have lost their identity and heritage and embraced the ways of their new rulers, under an “Arab” identity. Conversely, in Iran a band of indigenous victims, “infected” by Islam, has mindlessly turned on their Iranian countrymen and tried to rob them of their remaining ancient heritage. It is exactly this savage minority that has established an oppressive tyrannical rule and wields power against the Iranian people. Yet even under the rule of Islamofascism, the overwhelming majority of Iranians of various ethnicities and religions remain faithful to their ancient creed – a creed that was given to the world by Zoroaster.

Please read more...

http://www.amilimani.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=91&Itemid=2
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to learn about the Sharia Law which is now enforced in Iran, here is an eye opener for some that don't know much about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdaWfgAe_nw&feature=related
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iran and apostasy problem...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwyMGMdSNig&feature=email
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

History's Big Lie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQG3QIkZ39g&feature=email
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