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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:03 pm    Post subject: Imam Ali True Painting - It is Islam, dummy Reply with quote

1- Today Majority of 70 Million Iranians are rejecting Islam.
2- Very few Iranian-American ever go to Mosque or practice Islam.
3- Islam is considered as dead religion in Iran.
4- When Iran becomes free, Iranian people are best force against Islam.

5- Due to the fact that Majority (90%) of Muslim who pray 5 times a day can not read Quran, their Islam is their own version and majority of these people are not violent and most of them peaceful.
But the real Islam that is written in Quran and by Prophet Muhammad is very violent , and unfortunately can not be reformed.
6- It is very interesting to note that there are two Imam Ali one created by Shite Muslim and scholars who wrote a good book on behalf of him 100 years after Ali has been killed, ..... and real Ali what the Arabs and historian documented is a kind of leader who ordered to kill 1000s of Iranians near Shiraz, 1000s of Arabs and Jews in different events.

Imam Ali True Painting By Arab Historians:


This is the first evidence of deception By Mullahs ! Why lie about Ali's appearance?
Taazi Mullahs in Iran Not Only Terror, Torture Masters also Master Of Deception


Please make your own research, try to find the truth and make your own decision.
If your name is Ali and you don't like what you find regarding Imam Ali then change your name to someone who you like.


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Must read shameful Imam Ali's actions and history in Iran and if your name is Ali, you may consider to change it to Rostam or what you like ....

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Source: http://kamranroshangar.blogspot.com/2011/06/blog-post.html

حضرت علی، قاتل ایرانیان ویک جنایتکار حرفه ای ،یا مَظهَر برابری و عدالتی که باید برایش گریست؟!



قدیمی ترین تصویری که ازامام علی مربوط به بیش ازهزار سال قبل درموزه لوور پاریس نگهداری می شود.
(این نقاشی منسوب به یک راهب مسیحی است)
این نقاشی با روایت تاریخی طبری از شمایل حضرت علی تطابق کامل دارد.((مردی بود تیره رنگ با چشمان درشت و شکم برآمده و سری طاس و قدی مایل به کوتاهی!

(تاریخ طبری، جلد ششم، صفحه 2690)


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در زمان خلافت (حضرت علی )مردم استخر بار دیگر سر به شورش برداشتند و این بار (عبداله بن عباس)به فرمان(حضرت علی )شورش توده ها را در سیل خون فرو نشاند .
در همین هنگام مردم کرمان وفارس نیز قیام کردند و عمال خلیفه وقت یعنی (حضرت علی )را از شهر بیرون راندند و حضرت علی برای خاموش کردن طغیان توده ها (زیاد ابیه)را بسوی فارس و کرمان فرستاد و او در فرو نشاندن شورش از هیچ جنایتی فرو گذار نکرد .بطوریکه او را انوشیروان دوم نامیدند (زیاد بن ابیه)یکی از خونخوار ترین حکمرانان زمانش بود بطوریکه همه مورخین اسلامی از نظر قساوت و جنایت نا او را در کنار حجا ج بن یوسف و عبید اله بن زیاد(پسرش)ذکر کرده اند..(فارسنامه/ص 136)اسلام شناسی(علی میر فطروس)چاپ نهم /آمریکا/
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شعار(( انما المومنون اخوه))و یا لا اکراه فی الدین ))البته مانع آن نبود که حضرت محمد "پیروان مذهاب دیگر(اهل کتاب کتاب)را بجرم نپذیرفتن اسلام یکجا سر نبرد.بطوریکه در مورد (بنی قریظه)پس از جنگ و تسلیم شدن مردم این قبیله دستور داده شد 900نفراز جوانان و مردان (بنب قریظه)را سر بریدند و اموال و دارایی مردم این قبیله و زنان و کودکان آنان را را بعنوان بردگی بین مسلمانان تقسیم کرد.(طبری"یاد آورمیشودکه :پیغمبر بگفت تا در زمین گودالها بکندندو حضرت علی و زیبردر حضور پیغمبر گردن آنها را زدند.
در این گونه جنگها اعراب مسلمان حتی از همخوابگی با زنان شوهر دارپرهیز نمی کردند و این البته دستور قران بود.
منابع :نفایس الفنون_شمس الدین محمد آملی/ص 321/))منتخب التواریخ /حاج محمد هاشم خراسانی/ص 54/پرتواسلام/احمد امین/جلد1/ص 117/)تاریخ طبری/جلد 3/ص 1088/1091/)
تاریخ طبری جلد 3/ص/1093)
سوره نسا/آیه 24
اسلام شناسی (علی میر فطروس چاپ نهم/آمریکا)ص/3
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حضرت علی پس از پیروزی بر قبیله” بنی قریظه” تعداد 900 نفر از مردان قبیله را در مقابل گو دالهایی که از پیش کنده بودند سر بریدند. (تاریخ طبری. جلد 3 . صفحه 1088)
پیامبر بگفت تا در زمین گودالها بکندند و ” علی” و” زبیر” در حضور پیامبر گردن انها را زدند. (تاریخ طبری .جلد 3. صفحه 1093)
2- کشتار خاندان “ازد”:
علی و یارانش در یک روز تعداد 2500 نفر از خاندان “ازد” را سر بریدند.بنحوی که کسی زنده نماند تا دیگری را دلداری دهد. (مروج الذهب . جلد اول . صفحه 729)

3- کشتار خوارج :
در نهم صفر سال 38 هجری در محلی واقع در دشت نهروان جنگ خونینی بین لشگریان علی و خوارج روی داد که در این جنگ در حدود 1800 نفر از خوارج بقتل رسیدند.

4- نبرد “لیله الحریر”:
علی در نبردی بنام “لیله الحریر” در حدود 500 تا 900 نفر را از دم تیغ گذراند. (منتهی الا مال . جلد 1. صفحه 153)

5- کشتار” عبدالله خرمی و یارانش” :
عبدالله خرمی و 70 تن از یارانش از بیم جان به قلعه ای پناه برد.به دستور علی قلعه به آتش کشیده شد که در جریان آن تمامی این افراد در آتش سوختند بطوری که بوی گوشت بریان شده آنها آنچنان در هوا پخش شده بود که مردم را آزار می داد. (علی مرز نامتناهی . صفحه 199)

6- کشتار کسانی که بعد از فوت محمد از دین اسلام برگشتند:
آنانکه دست رنگ کرده بودند و شادی و شعف در اثر در گذشت محمد نشان داده بودند ” علی” و” خالد بن ولید” همه را بکشتند و اجسادشان را در آتش سوزاندند. (تاریخ طبری .جلد 4 . صفحات 1380.1464) (تاریخ طبری .جلد 6.صفحات 2420.2265)
نقش علی در ترور مخالفان :

1- ترور شاعری بنام” حویرث بن نقیذ”:
وی شتر دختران محمد “فاطمه” و “ام کلثوم” را رم داده بود به فرمان حضرت محمد و توسط علی در جریان یک
تو طئه به قتل رسید. (سیره ابن هشام .جلد 2. صفحه 273)

2- سر بریدن” مغیره” :
پیر مردی بنام “مغیره” که پس از فتح مکه از ترس محمد گریخته بود بوسیله علی دستگیر و سر بریده شد. (زنان پیغمبر . صفحه 316)

3- علی شاهرگ مردانی را برید و بمانند مرغان نیم بسمل آنان را در بیابان رها کرد تا با شکنجه بمیرند. (امام علی . عبدالفتاح . جلد 5. صفحه 27)

4- سر بریدن “نضر” و “عتبه” :
پس از شکست” ائیل” محمد به علی دستور داد که “نضر” پسر” حارث” را سر ببرد.همینطور در منطقه ای دیگر بنام “الظیه” از میان اسرا “عتبه” پسر” ابی معیظ ” بدستور محمد و بدست علی سر بریده شد. (منتهی الامال . جلد 1.صفحه 57)

5- سر بریدن “عتبه” :
مردی بنام “عتبه” که بخاطر عدم پخش مساوی غنایم بین لشکریان اسلام به صورت محمد تف کرده بود بوسیله علی سر بریده شد. (تاریخ طبری . جلد 5 .صفحه 1103)

در زمان امام علی، مردم استخر چندین بار قیام کردند. امام علی در یکی از آن موارد «عبدالله بن عباس» را در راس لشکری به آ«جا گسیل داشت و شورش تودهها را در سیل خون فرونشاند (فارسنامه ابن بلخی،ص 136). در مورد دیگر که مردم استخر شورش کردند، امام علی «زیادبن ابیه» که از خونخواری و آدمکشی به انوشیروان دوم لقب گرفته بود به آنجا گسیل داشت تا به سرکوبی این قیام بپردازند. در مورد جنایات و کشتار مردم استخر توسط زیادبن ابیه کتابها و روایات زیادی نوشته و نقل شده است(روجوع کنید به کتاب مروج الذهب،جلد دوم ص 29).

- در سال 39 هجری مردم فارس و کرمان نیز سر به شورش گذاشتند و حکام ستمگر امام علی را از شهر خود بیرون کردند. امام علی مجددا زیادابن ابیه را به آنجا گسیل داشت و لشکریان وی از هیچ جنایتی فروگذاری نکردند. (تاریخ طبری، جلد 6، ص 2657 و یا فارسنامه، ص 136)

- مردم خراسان نیز در زمان امام علی برای چندین بار قیام کردند و چون چیزی نداشتند به عنوان باج و خراج بپردازند، از دین اسلام برگشته و به مقاومت سخت و جانانه ای دست زدند. امام علی «جعدبن هبیره» را بسوی خراسان فرستاد. او مردم نیشابو را محاصره کرد تا مجبور به صلح شدند. (تاریخ طبری، جلد 6، ص 2586 و فتوح البلدان ص 292)

- در زمان امام علی مردم شهر ری نیز سر به طغیان برداشتند و از پرداخت خراج خودداری کردند. امام علی، «ابوموسی» را با لشکری زیاد به سرکوب شورش فرستاد و امور آنجا را بحال نخستین برگرداند. ابوموسی پیش از این طغیان نیز، یکبار دیگر بدستور امام علی به جنگ مردم شهر ری گسیل شده بود. (فوتوح البلدان ص 150)

- به روزگار خلافت علی بن ابی طالب، چون پایان سال 38 و آغاز سال 39 بود، حارث بن سره عبدی، به فرمان علی لشکر به خراسان کشید و پیروز شد، غنیمت بسیار و برده ی بی شمار بدست آوردند. تنها در یک روز، هزار برده میان یارانش تقسیم کرد. لکن سرانجام خود و یارانش، جز گروهی اندک، در سرزمین قیقان (سر حد خراسان) کشته شد. (فتوح البلدان، بلاذری)

- علی بن ابی طالب، عبدالرحمان بنی جز طائی را به سیسستان فرستاد. لکن حسکه حبطی وی را بکشت،پس علی فرمود: بیاید که چهار هزار تن از حبطیان را به قتل رسانیم. وی را گفتند: حبطیان پانصد تن هم نشوند. (فتوح البلدان، بلاذری)

- علی ولایت آذربایجان را نخست به سعید بن ساریه خزاعی و سپس به اشعث بن قیس داد. یکی از شیوخ آذربایجان نقل می کند که ولیدبن عقبه همراه همراه با اشعث از ولید طلب یاری می کرد و ولد برای یاری وی سپاهی از کوفه به در آنجا گسیل داشت. اشعث، حان به حان (حان= خانه به خانه) فتح کرد و پیش رفت. و پس از فتح آذربایجان گروهی از تازیان اهل عطا را بیاورد و در آنجای ساکن ساخت و آنان را فرمان داد که مردم را به اسلام خوانند. (فتوح البلدان، بلاذری)
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Hazrat Ali, a professional criminals Wake Iranian assassin, or the manifestation of equality and justice that should weep for her?

The oldest image Azamam Ali Az·hzar years ago to over Drmvz·h Louvre in Paris is maintained.
(This painting is attributed to a Christian monk)
This historical narrative painting of icons Tabari Imam Ali is fully compliant. ((The man was dark with big eyes and swollen abdomen and willing to set short height and bald!

(Tabari, Volume VI, page 2690)
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Caliphate at the time (Imam Ali) people into rebellion pool again and this time took (Abdullah ibn Abbas) command (Imam Ali) revolt of the masses placed down in floods of blood.
Meanwhile the people revolted and Kerman Vfars operatives when the caliph (Ali) from the city and drove Ali to silence rebel masses (large blue) towards Fars and Kerman, and he sent in riot quench any crime did not negligent. Anushirvan so he called the second (large blue bin) is one of the most brutal rulers was the contemporary, living so that all historians of Islamic atrocities and crimes along with his ill-Hijab J. Ben Youssef and large bin Obaid Ullah (son) mentioned have .. (Farsnamh / p. 136) Islamic Studies (Ali Mir Ftrvs) ninth edition / America /
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Slogan ((enema Almvmnvn Akhvh)) or La reluctant Din fi)) but it did not prevent the Prophet Muhammad "followers of other Mzhab (Book book) to reject Islam Bjrm head battle together. So on (Benny Qryzh) after the war and surrender the people of this tribe was ordered 900 composed young men (Bnb Qryzh) head cut and property of people of this tribe, women and children them as slaves among Muslims divided. (Tabari "learn Vrmyshvdkh: Prophet Bgft to Hole in the Earth Bkndndv prophet Hazrat Ali and the presence of cervical Zybrdr they went.
In these wars, even the Muslim Arab women intercourse with her husband and did not Darprhyz Koran course was ordered.
Sources: Shams al-Din Muhammad _ Nfays Alfnvn Amelie / p. 321 /)) Selected Altvarykh / Haj Mohammad Hashem Khorasani / p. 54 / Prtvaslam / Ahmad Amin / Volume 1 / p. 117 /) Tabari / Volume 3 / p. 1088 / 1091 /)
Tabari Volume 3 / pp / 1093)
Sura Nesa / Verse 24
Sociology of Islam (Ali Mir Ftrvs ninth edition / America) p. / 3
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Hazrat Ali after winning the clan "Benny Qryzh" Number 900 tribal men talk in front of the pre-dug Dalhayy were cut head. (Tabari. Volume 3. Page 1088)
Messenger to the earth pit Bgft Bkndnd and "Ali" and "Zbyr" in the presence of the Prophet they went neck. (Tabari. Volume 3. Page 1093)
2 - killing family "Azd":
Ali and his followers in one day in 2500 the number of family "Azd" cut to the head. Such a manner that someone else did not live up to comfort. (Alzhb promoters. Vol. Page 729)

3 - Kill Khawarij:
Zero in the ninth year in 38 Hijri Local Plain Nehru in bloody war between Ali and Khawarij troops in this war occurred around 1800 people were killed Khawarij.

4 - Battle "Lylh Hariri":
Ali in the battle called "Hariri Lylh" approximately 500 to 900 people spent the tail blade. (Except mine lead. Volume 1. Page 153)

5 - killing "Khorrami Abdullah and his followers":
Abdullah Khorrami and 70 tons of fears of his followers took refuge in a castle survived. Ali ordered that the castle was burned during the fire burned all these people so that they smell of grilled meat, the air was so that people was hurt. (Ali infinite boundary. Page 199)

6 - killing those who died after Muhammad returned from Islam:
Those who were lost and the color of happiness and joy over Muhammad had shown in "Ali" and "Khalid bin Walid" all Ajsadshan Bkshtnd and burned in a fire. (Tabari. Volume 4. Pages 1380.1464) (Tabari. Volume 6. 2420.2265 pages)
Role in the assassination of Ali opponents:

1 - Terror poet named "Ben Hvyrs Nqyz":
His girls camel Mohammed "Fatima" and "I Klsvm" Rome was the order of the Prophet Muhammad and by Ali during a
Tyh you killed. (Sire Ibn Hisham. Volume 2. Page 273)

2 - Cutting head "Mghyrh":
The old man named "Mghyrh" after Muhammad fled Mecca was the fear by Ali was arrested and beheaded. (Female prophet. Page 316)

3 - Ali lifeline cut men and birds to stay a half Bsml them abandoned in the desert to die of torture. (Imam Ali. Abdolfattah. Vol 5. Page 27)

4 - Cutting head "Nzr" and "Tbh":
After the defeat of "Ayyl" Muhammad Ali ordered the "Nzr" boy "Hares" to take over. Also another area called "Alzyh" among prisoners "Tbh" boy "Abbey Myz" order of Muhammad Ali and get beheaded was. (Leading Alamal. Volume 1. Page 57)

5 - Cutting head "Tbh":
Man named "Tbh" for not playing the spoils equally between the Muslim hosts had to spit out by Muhammad Ali was beheaded. (Tabari. Vol 5. Page 1103)

At the time of Imam Ali, the people revolted pool several times. Imam Ali in one of those cases, "Abdullah bin Abbas" in the martial A. Ross, "there was a revolt of the masses emitted in the blood flooding Frvnshand (Farsnamh Ibn Balkhi, p. 136). In another pool of people rebelled, Imam Ali "Zyadbn blue" and the bloodthirsty killer was dubbed the second Anushirvan there was sent to quell the rebellion pay. Crimes and kill people in the pool by Zyadbn blue books and a lot of written narratives and has been quoted (see Rvjv Alzhb promoters book, Volume II, p. 29).

- AH 39 people in Kerman, Fars and also put into rebellion and tyrannical rulers of Imam Ali was out of town. Imam Ali Zyadabn blue again was sent to the hosts as he did not neglect any crime. (Tabari, Volume 6, p. 2657 or Farsnamh, p. 136)

- The people of Khorasan at the time of the uprising of Imam Ali for several times because they had nothing to pay the ransom and tribute of faith and strength back, a hard and began rattling. Imam Ali "Jdbn Hbyrh" sent towards Khorasan. He was surrounded Nyshabv people to have been peace. (Tabari, Volume 6, p. 2586 and conquests Albldan p. 292)

- People at the time of Imam Ali Rey took the head rise and refused to pay tribute. Imam Ali, "Abu Musa" with great martial affairs to suppress the insurgency and sent back the first ever there. Abu Musa before the rebellion, once again the order of Imam Ali Rey sent people to war had been. (Fvtvh Albldan p. 150)

- The time the caliphate of Ali ibn Abi Talib, because the end of Year 38 and 39 were pure Hares Ibn Abdi, Ali ordered troops to take Khorasan and won the trophy too, and received countless slave. Only one day, thousands of slaves among his followers split. However his and his colleagues eventually, but a small group, in territory Qyqan (extent of Khorasan) was killed. (Albldan conquests, Blazry)

- Ali ibn Abi Talib, Abdul Bani Sysstan sent to save Tayy. However Hskh Hbty his slant Board, then Ali said: Let the four thousand tons of Hbtyan Rsanym killing. He said: not too Hbtyan five hundred tons. (Albldan conquests, Blazry)

- Province of Azerbaijan, Ali Saeed Bin Saryh Khazai first and then gave Ashs Qys bin. One of the quotes that Azerbaijan Shyvkh Vlydbn Ashs of Aqaba along with Walid Ould seek help and assist him to Kufa, where the soldier was deployed. Ashs, Han to Han (Han = house) went and conquered. After the conquest of Azerbaijan and a group of Arabs from the grant and where residents bring their building and ordered the man
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It is Islam, dummy

By: Amil Imani

The terror and death inflicted on humanity is not the work of radical Islam, neither the political Islam, nor the militant Islam. It is Islam, period. Get it? And the perpetrators are not fringe elements confined to brainwashed Saudis, loony Taliban, or a know nothing Pakistanis who have hijacked Islam and are now in the business of mass murder. The latest project of the practitioners of the “religion of peace” aimed to blowing planeloads of innocent civilians to smithereens in midair over the Atlantic -- ought to finally drive the point home: it is Islam, dummy. Get it?

How could people calling themselves sincere God-fearing religionists bring themselves to even think of acts of such barbarity, yet plan them methodically and cold-bloodedly proceed to execute them?

The answer is Islam. The life manual of Islam, the Quran, is a document of exclusion, hatred and violence that shapes the Muslims’ thinking and behaving. This stone-age document is optimally suited for people of stunted development. People who prefer to follow than to think for themselves, to hate than to love, and to seek death rather than to celebrate life.

Sadly, Muslims themselves are the ones who are most victimized by Islam. They have inherited this viral psychological disease of hate and violence; they live by it, and transmit it to their children as well as to receptive others.

A puzzle to non-Muslims: why any intelligent and reasonably sane person would live his life by the dogma of Islam? It is particularly disconcerting when this Muslim lives in a secular non-Islamic society. The befuddlement becomes mind-boggling when seemingly educated women in free societies voluntarily submit to the yoke of Islamic misogyny.

There are a number of possible explanations to the enigma of believing in Islam and even propagating it with zeal and violence. Some possible explanations are treated here.

For one, Islam is stamped on the impressionable mind of the child from birth. The parents and immediate members of the family are the ones who make the very first impressions on the tabula rasa of the young mind. These early impressions are the grid-work for further formation of the person’s mind and belief system. It is by far easier, as life goes on, to incorporate “items” that readily fit into the grid-work, than to modify it or dismantle it altogether and begin anew. It is in recognition of the importance of early training and education that people such as Saint Augustine and Freud considered the first few years of life as critical for molding the person. “Teaching the very young is like itching in the stone,” says an Eastern proverb.

Another reason is the herd mentality—stay with the group, be one of them, and don't strike out on your own. This strong disposition to belong is reinforced by privileges that the group bestows; social pressure, as well as the fear of castigation by the wielders of power. There is security and power in numbers—in any numbers.

Islam is also appealing for giving purpose and order to the person’s life—both the life on earth as well as an immortal life after death. Islam is omnipresent and omniscient father figure who draws the boundaries, points out the path, dictates the terms, holds the carrots and the sticks. It absolves the person, for most parts, from the often demanding tasks of dealing with difficult questions and choosing what to do with oneself—a highly attractive trade off for many. Accept Islam as your guide, follow its path and you will never have to suffer the agony of not knowing and having to make decisions by yourself; you will be guided along the path of eternal happiness and salvation. Just follow the unerring guide given to mankind by the seal of the prophet, Muhammad.

An elaborate package of mostly illogical and bizarre prescriptions and proscriptions comes with the Islamic offer, covering every imaginable aspect of life. In the matter of being a good Muslim, nothing is left to chance that one needs to figure out for himself. “I think, therefore I am” said Rene Descartes in substantiating his claim to being a conscious being. “I don't think, I faith; therefore I am an automaton,” says the Muslim in absolving himself of the need for independent thinking.

Even the minutest detail of the Muslim’s life is rigidly structured. He is to perform the obligatory prayer, for instance, five times a day at the exact appointed times. He must drop everything and go through the prescribed gesticulation and recitation of the verses while facing Mecca. Before saying his prayer, however, he must perform ablution. The Ablution, using water, must be carried out in a precise manner and sequence. In the absence of water, the faithful can substitute soil for water and go through the practice of “purifying” himself by running soil over his hands, arms, face and feet. After completion of ablution, as prescribed, he may proceed to say his prayer unless he commits flatulence. In that case, he must re-perform the ablution all over again.

Being a good Muslim, particularly a good male Muslim, is indeed a full time job. Male Muslims are obligated to go for Hajj—women don't have to do so. Islam is a man’s religion, through and through. Women are to please men erotically, to attend to them like chattel, and birth them boys. Going on Hajj and accumulating merit points for admission to Allah’s paradise is reserved for men. Women may also go to Hajj, if they are lucky enough to afford the journey or allowed by their owners, men, to do so. For women, there are no promises that by going on Hajj and paying tribute to the house of Allah they endear themselves to him. “Women are calamities, but no home should be without one,” is an old Islamic characterization of women. Hence, a woman is a necessity and not much more.

In short, Islam treats its believers as children irrespective of age. An extensive cadre of mullahs and imams, who themselves are thoroughly indoctrinated, minister to the children. These professional leeches—the mullahs and imams—systematically program the mind of their charges through liberal use of fear, threats of hell, and occasional promises of eternal life of bliss in Allah’s paradise if they be obedient good children.

A Muslim is born Muslim, yet he acts as if he independently and through his own labor has discovered the great find; he clings to it as his cherished security blanket; and, would part with his life, rather than giving it up. It is, therefore, understandable what a recent poll has found. Fully 81% of British Muslims consider themselves Muslims first and British second. The 81% know full well that there is absolutely no chance of being harassed, much less persecuted, in Britain for professing their highest loyalty to Islam. So, they come out and admit it. The other 19% are even more Muslim. They are practicing what the Quran teaches—dissimulation. Muslims are taught to lie. They lie when they have to and they lie when they don't have to, just to stay in practice.

The bottom-line is that the non-Islamic world has a huge problem on its hands—the ever-encroaching Islam. For as long as there are mosques, madrasehs, and Islamic centers; as long as a vast cadres of well-paid, highly indoctrinated and strategically placed mullahs and imams; and, as long as there are people who prefer to be treated as children, Islam will flourish anywhere and will pose an existential threat to unbelievers. All the excuses, grievances and reasons given for savagery of the jihadists and Islamofascists are side issues. It is Islam, dummy. It is Islam itself. Get it?



Amil Imani is an Iranian-born American citizen and pro-democracy activist residing in the United States of America. Imani is a columnist, literary translator, novelist and an essayist who has been writing and speaking out for the struggling people of his native land, Iran. He maintains a website at http://amilimani.com/index/


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:15 pm    Post subject: Re: It is Islam, dummy Reply with quote

Amil wrote:
It is Islam, dummy

By: Amil Imani



The terror and death inflicted on humanity is not the work of radical Islam, neither the political Islam, nor the militant Islam. It is Islam, period. Get it? And the perpetrators are not fringe elements confined to brainwashed Saudis, loony Taliban, or a know nothing Pakistanis who have hijacked Islam and are now in the business of mass murder. The latest project of the practitioners of the “religion of peace” aimed to blowing planeloads of innocent civilians to smithereens in midair over the Atlantic -- ought to finally drive the point home: it is Islam, dummy. Get it?

How could people calling themselves sincere God-fearing religionists bring themselves to even think of acts of such barbarity, yet plan them methodically and cold-bloodedly proceed to execute them?

The answer is Islam. The life manual of Islam, the Quran, is a document of exclusion, hatred and violence that shapes the Muslims’ thinking and behaving. This stone-age document is optimally suited for people of stunted development. People who prefer to follow than to think for themselves, to hate than to love, and to seek death rather than to celebrate life.

Sadly, Muslims themselves are the ones who are most victimized by Islam. They have inherited this viral psychological disease of hate and violence; they live by it, and transmit it to their children as well as to receptive others.

A puzzle to non-Muslims: why any intelligent and reasonably sane person would live his life by the dogma of Islam? It is particularly disconcerting when this Muslim lives in a secular non-Islamic society. The befuddlement becomes mind-boggling when seemingly educated women in free societies voluntarily submit to the yoke of Islamic misogyny.

There are a number of possible explanations to the enigma of believing in Islam and even propagating it with zeal and violence. Some possible explanations are treated here.

For one, Islam is stamped on the impressionable mind of the child from birth. The parents and immediate members of the family are the ones who make the very first impressions on the tabula rasa of the young mind. These early impressions are the grid-work for further formation of the person’s mind and belief system. It is by far easier, as life goes on, to incorporate “items” that readily fit into the grid-work, than to modify it or dismantle it altogether and begin anew. It is in recognition of the importance of early training and education that people such as Saint Augustine and Freud considered the first few years of life as critical for molding the person. “Teaching the very young is like itching in the stone,” says an Eastern proverb.

Another reason is the herd mentality—stay with the group, be one of them, and don't strike out on your own. This strong disposition to belong is reinforced by privileges that the group bestows; social pressure, as well as the fear of castigation by the wielders of power. There is security and power in numbers—in any numbers.

Islam is also appealing for giving purpose and order to the person’s life—both the life on earth as well as an immortal life after death. Islam is omnipresent and omniscient father figure who draws the boundaries, points out the path, dictates the terms, holds the carrots and the sticks. It absolves the person, for most parts, from the often demanding tasks of dealing with difficult questions and choosing what to do with oneself—a highly attractive trade off for many. Accept Islam as your guide, follow its path and you will never have to suffer the agony of not knowing and having to make decisions by yourself; you will be guided along the path of eternal happiness and salvation. Just follow the unerring guide given to mankind by the seal of the prophet, Muhammad.

An elaborate package of mostly illogical and bizarre prescriptions and proscriptions comes with the Islamic offer, covering every imaginable aspect of life. In the matter of being a good Muslim, nothing is left to chance that one needs to figure out for himself. “I think, therefore I am” said Rene Descartes in substantiating his claim to being a conscious being. “I don't think, I faith; therefore I am an automaton,” says the Muslim in absolving himself of the need for independent thinking.

Even the minutest detail of the Muslim’s life is rigidly structured. He is to perform the obligatory prayer, for instance, five times a day at the exact appointed times. He must drop everything and go through the prescribed gesticulation and recitation of the verses while facing Mecca. Before saying his prayer, however, he must perform ablution. The Ablution, using water, must be carried out in a precise manner and sequence. In the absence of water, the faithful can substitute soil for water and go through the practice of “purifying” himself by running soil over his hands, arms, face and feet. After completion of ablution, as prescribed, he may proceed to say his prayer unless he commits flatulence. In that case, he must re-perform the ablution all over again.

Being a good Muslim, particularly a good male Muslim, is indeed a full time job. Male Muslims are obligated to go for Hajj—women don't have to do so. Islam is a man’s religion, through and through. Women are to please men erotically, to attend to them like chattel, and birth them boys. Going on Hajj and accumulating merit points for admission to Allah’s paradise is reserved for men. Women may also go to Hajj, if they are lucky enough to afford the journey or allowed by their owners, men, to do so. For women, there are no promises that by going on Hajj and paying tribute to the house of Allah they endear themselves to him. “Women are calamities, but no home should be without one,” is an old Islamic characterization of women. Hence, a woman is a necessity and not much more.

In short, Islam treats its believers as children irrespective of age. An extensive cadre of mullahs and imams, who themselves are thoroughly indoctrinated, minister to the children. These professional leeches—the mullahs and imams—systematically program the mind of their charges through liberal use of fear, threats of hell, and occasional promises of eternal life of bliss in Allah’s paradise if they be obedient good children.

A Muslim is born Muslim, yet he acts as if he independently and through his own labor has discovered the great find; he clings to it as his cherished security blanket; and, would part with his life, rather than giving it up. It is, therefore, understandable what a recent poll has found. Fully 81% of British Muslims consider themselves Muslims first and British second. The 81% know full well that there is absolutely no chance of being harassed, much less persecuted, in Britain for professing their highest loyalty to Islam. So, they come out and admit it. The other 19% are even more Muslim. They are practicing what the Quran teaches—dissimulation. Muslims are taught to lie. They lie when they have to and they lie when they don't have to, just to stay in practice.

The bottom-line is that the non-Islamic world has a huge problem on its hands—the ever-encroaching Islam. For as long as there are mosques, madrasehs, and Islamic centers; as long as a vast cadres of well-paid, highly indoctrinated and strategically placed mullahs and imams; and, as long as there are people who prefer to be treated as children, Islam will flourish anywhere and will pose an existential threat to unbelievers. All the excuses, grievances and reasons given for savagery of the jihadists and Islamofascists are side issues. It is Islam, dummy. It is Islam itself. Get it?



Amil Imani is an Iranian-born American citizen and pro-democracy activist residing in the United States of America. Imani is a columnist, literary translator, novelist and an essayist who has been writing and speaking out for the struggling people of his native land, Iran. He maintains a website at http://amilimani.com/index/


Thank you for another good article, may I clarify few points for those who
are new in this subject:
1- Today Majority of 70 Million Iranians are rejecting Islam.
2- Very few Iranian-American ever go to Mosque or practice Islam.
3- Islam is considered as dead religion in Iran.
4- When Iran becomes free, Iranian people are best force against Islam.

5- Due to the fact that Majority (90%) of Muslim who pray 5 times a day can not read Quran, their Islam is their own version and majority of these people are not violent and most of them peaceful.
But the real Islam that is written in Quran and by Prophet Muhammad is very violent , and unfortunately can not be reformed.
6- It is very interesting to note that there are two Imam Ali one created by Shite Muslim and scholars who wrote a good book on behalf of him 100 years after Ali has been killed, ..... and real Ali what the Arabs and historian documented is a kind of leader who ordered to kill 1000s of Iranians near Shiraz, 1000s of Arabs and Jews in different events.

Imam Ali True Painting By Arab Historians:


This is the first evidence of deception By Mullahs ! Why lie about Ali's appearance?
Taazi Mullahs in Iran Not Only Terror, Torture Masters also Master Of Deception

Imam Ali False Painting By Mullahs In Iran :


You may consider to read the following Book to give you very good overview regarding Islam.


Please make your own research, try to find the truth and make your own decision.
If your name is Ali and you don't like what you find regarding Imam Ali then change your name to someone who you like.


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WOW!!! I have got to get that book!
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WARNING To Pro Hezbollah Taazi Occupiers Of Iran:

- FREE All Political Prisoners
- Stop Stoning Women NOW
- Stop All Executions
- Stop Torture In Iran
OR We Will Focus To Expose
- TRUTH About Shiite Islam
- Support To Close All Shiite Centers in Free World ....
- ..........






How Can You Find Out Whether You Are Muslim or Not?
If you are Iranian-American and you don’t know whether you are Muslim or Not.
This is a quick guideline for Iranian-American to find out whether you are Muslim Or Not ?

- If you are freedom-loving person and believe in Free Society then you can not be Muslim .
- If you believe in Human Rights and Women Rights you can not be Muslim.
- If you love peace then you can not be Muslim because Quran is a book of war
- If you hate violence and Terror you can not be Muslim.
- If you are Freedom-loving Iranian then you can not be Muslim.
- If your name Islamic and after research you find out that you don’t agree with Islam then you might consider to change your name.
- If you want to know more read the following book:



How Can We Become Iranian?


It is the irony of history that in the land of Cyrus The Great, the birthplace of the first charter of the “Rights of Nations” and the “Declaration of Human Rights” over 2500 years ago, there is today no respect for human and civil rights by Pro Hezbollah Islamofascist occupiers of Iran. Cyrus, who was exceptionally tolerant of local religions and local customs and against slavery, is famous for freeing the 42,000 Jewish captives and allowing them to return to their homeland. His name appears twenty two times in the Bible. Were it not for Cyrus, it seems at least possible that the Jewish people would have become extinct in the fifth century BC and we would have never received their great contributions to mankind. Unfortunately, present day Iran is ruled by a small group of Islamic Mafia Clerics who are the embodiment of evil and have no respect for Human Rights in this land which is the birthplace of Darius The Great, Babak, Avicenna (Ibn Sina), Ferdowsi, Khayyam, Hafaz, Saadi and Rumi.

Top Harvard University Scholar Professor Richard Nelson Frye
Lecture at UCLA Royce Hall - March 13, 2005
- Iranian is a culture.
- The second occupation of Iran By Muslims and Arabs happened again with the revolution.
- Iranian poetry is world poetry, no one is better than the Iranian poets.
- Everyone in Iran is a poet.
Listen to an excerpt of the lecture - Real Audio (05:09)
Source URL: http://activistchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=28221#28221

Ferdowsi : The following is the highest level of code of ethics for all time defined for humanity from masterpiece of The Epic of Kings by Ferdowsi (935-1020) the World famous Persian (Iranian) poet. This is unmatched by anything that has been written before Ferdowsi :
“Crush not even the tiny ant that beareth a grain of
corn, for she hath life, and sweet life is a boon.”

"Human beings are all members of one body.
They are created from the same essence.
When one member is in pain,
The others cannot rest.
If you do not care about the pain of others,
You do not deserve to be called a human being."
A Quote from Famous Persian Poet Saadi Shirazi
( 13th century Persian poet, from Shiraz the birthplace of Ms. Zahra Kazemi)

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URL Reference Information
For The History of Atrocities of Arab Muslim, Tazzis on Iran and Its Culture.
After increasing your awareness No Iranians with right mind can be Muslim and
Shame on Shirin Ebadi who called herself "Muslim Woman" :

http://activistchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=28382#28382



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:15 pm    Post subject: ISLAMIC Suicide KILLERS Reply with quote

Dears,
For those politically correct individuals who deny the danger of speeding Islam to the entire democratic civilized world, this interview is must read.
But put your prejudice aside before you start.
And when I say the UN-UNITED NATIONS has to be closed down, the sooner the better, some criticize me. But this Mr. Pierre Rehov has explained a part of it correctly!
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Subject: ISLAMIC Suicide KILLERS



By - Pierre Rehov, documentary filmmaker

On July 15, MSNBC's "Connected" program discussed the July 7th London attacks.

One of the guests was Pierre Rehov, a French filmmaker who has filmed six documentaries on the intifada by going undercover in the Palestinian areas. Pierre's upcoming film, "Suicide Killers," is based on interviews that he conducted with the families of suicide bombers and would-be bombers in an attempt to find out why they do it. Pierre agreed to a request for a Q&A interview here about his work on the new film.

Q - What inspired you to produce "Suicide Killers," your seventh film?

A - I started working with victims of suicide attacks to make a film on PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) when I became fascinated with the personalities of those who had committed those crimes, as they were described again and again by their victims. Especially the fact that suicide bombers are all smiling one second before they blow themselves up.

Q - Why is this film especially important?

A - People don't understand the devastating culture behind this unbelievable phenomenon. My film is not politically correct because it addresses the real problem, showing the real face of Islam. It points the finger against a culture of hatred in which the uneducated are brainwashed to a level where their only solution in life becomes to kill themselves and kill others in the name of a God whose word, as transmitted by other men, has become their only certitude.

Q - What insights did you gain from making this film? What do you know that other experts do not know?

A - I came to the conclusion that we are facing a neurosis at the level of an entire civilization. Most neuroses have! in com mon a dramatic event, generally linked to an unacceptable sexual behavior. In this case, we are talking of kids living all their lives in pure frustration, with no opportunity to experience sex, love, tenderness or even understanding from the opposite sex. The separation between men and women in Islam is absolute. So is contempt toward women, who are totally dominated by men. This leads to a situation of pure anxiety, in which normal behavior is not possible. It is no coincidence that suicide killers are mostly young men dominated subconsciously by an overwhelming libido that they not only cannot satisfy but are afraid of, as if it is the work of the devil.

Since Islam describes heaven as a place where everything on Earth will finally be allowed, and promises 72 virgins to those frustrated kids, killing others and killing themselves to reach this redemption becomes their ! only so lution.

Q - What was it like to interview would-be suicide bombers, their families and survivors of suicide bombings?

A - It was a fascinating and a terrifying experience. You are dealing with seemingly normal people with very nice manners who have their own logic, which to a certain extent can make sense since they are so convinced that what they say is true. It is like dealing with pure craziness, like interviewing people in an asylum, since what they say, is for them, the absolute truth. I hear a mother saying "Thank God, my son is dead." Her son had became a shaheed, a martyr, which for her was a greater source of pride than if he had became an engineer, a doctor or a winner of the Nobel Prize.

This system of values works completely backwards since their interpretation of Islam worships death much more than life. You are facing people whose only dream, only achievemen! t goal is to fulfill what they believe to be their destiny, namely to be a Shaheed or the family of a shaheed.

They don't see the innocent being killed, they only see the impure that they have to destroy.

Q - You say suicide bombers experience a moment of absolute power, beyond punishment. Is death the ultimate power?

A - Not death as an end, but death as a door opener to the after life. They are seeking the reward that God has promised them. They work for God, the ultimate authority, above all human laws. They therefore experience this single delusional second of absolute power, where nothing bad can ever happen to them, since they become God's sword.

Q - Is there a suicide bomber personality profile? Describe the psychopathology.

A - Generally kids between 15 and 25 bearing a lot of complexes, generally inferiority complexes. They must have been fed with relig ion. They usually have a lack of developed personality. Usually they are impressionable idealists. In the western world they would easily have become drug addicts, but not criminals. Interestingly, they are not criminals since they don't see good and evil the same way that we do. If they had been raised in an Occidental culture, they would have hated violence. But they constantly battle against their own death anxiety. The only solution to this deep-seated pathology is to be willing to die and be rewarded in the afterlife in Paradise.

Q - Are suicide bombers principally motivated by religious conviction?

A - Yes, it is their only conviction. They don't act to gain a territory or to find freedom or even dignity. They only follow Allah, the supreme judge, and what He tells them to do.

Q - Do all Muslims interpret jihad and martyrdom in the same way?

A - All Muslim believers believe that, ultimately, Islam will prevail on earth.They believe this is the only true religion and there is no room, in their mind, for interpretation. The main difference between moderate Muslims and extremists is that moderate Muslims don't think they will see the absolute victory of Islam during their lifetime, therefore they respect other beliefs. The extremists believe that the fulfillment of the Prophecy of Islam and ruling the entire world as described in the Koran, is for today. Each victory of Bin Laden convinces 20 million moderate Muslims to become extremists.

Q - Describe the culture that manufactures suicide bombers.

A - Oppression, lack of freedom, brain washing, organized poverty, placing God in charge of daily life, total separation between men and women, forbidding sex, giving women no power whatsoever, and placing men in charge of family honor, which is mainly connected to their women's behavior.

Q - What socio-economic forces! suppor t the perpetuation of suicide bombings?

A - Muslim charity is usually a cover for supporting terrorist organizations. But one has also to look at countries like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Iran, which are also supporting the same organizations through different networks. The ironic thing in the case of Palestinian suicide bombers is that most of the money comes through financial support from the Occidental world, donated to a culture that utterly hates and rejects the West (mainly symbolized by Israel).

Q - Is there a financial support network for the families of the suicide bombers? If so, who is paying them and how does that affect the decision?

A - There used to be a financial incentive in the days of Saddam Hussein ($25,000 per family) and Yasser Arafat (smaller amounts), but these days are gone. It is a mistake to believe that these families would sacrifice their children for money. Although, the children themselves who are very attached to t heir families, might find in this financial support another reason to become suicide bombers. It is like buying a life insurance policy and then committing suicide.

Q - Why are so many suicide bombers young men?

A - As discussed above, libido is paramount. Also ego, because this is a sure way to become a hero. The shaheeds are the cowboys or the firemen of Islam. Shaheed is a positively reinforced value in this culture. And what kid has never dreamed of becoming a cowboy or a fireman?

Q - What role does the U.N. play in the terrorist equation?

A - The U.N. is in the hands of Arab countries and third world or ex-communist countries. Their hands are tied. The U.N. has condemned Israel more than any other country in the world, including the regime of Castro, Idi Amin or Kaddahfi. By behaving this way, the U.N. leaves a door open by not openly condemning terrorist organizations. In addition, through UNRWA, the U.N. is directly tied to terror organizations such as Hamas, representing 65 percent of their apparatus in the so-called Palestinian refugee camps. As a support to Arab countries, the U.N. has maintained Palestinians in camps with the hope to "return" into Israel for more than 50 years, therefore making it impossible to settle those populations, which still live in deplorable conditions. Four hundred million dollars are spent every year, mainly financed by U.S. taxes, to support 23,000 employees of UNRWA, many of whom belong to terrorist organizations (see Congressman Eric Cantor on this subject, and in my film "Hostages of Hatred").

Q - You say that a suicide bomber is a 'stupid bomb and a smart bomb' simultaneously! . Explain what you mean.

A - Unlike an electronic device, a suicide killer has until the last second the capacity to change his mind. In reality, he is nothing but a platform representing interests which are not his, but he doesn't know it.

Q - How can we put an end to the madness of suicide bombings and terrorism in general?

A - Stop being politically correct and stop believing that this culture is a victim of ours. Radical Islamism today is nothing but a new form of Naziism. Nobody was trying to justify or excuse Hitler in the 1930s. We had to defeat him in order to make peace one day with the German people.

Q - Are these men traveling outside their native areas in large numbers? Based on your research, would you predict that we are beginning to see a new wave of suicide bombings outside the Middle East?

A - Every successful terror attack is considered a victory by the radical Islamists. Everywhere Islam expands! there is regional conflict. Right now, there are thousands of candidates for martyrdom lining up in training camps in Bosnia, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Inside Europe, hundreds of illegal mosques are preparing the next step of brain washing to lost young men who cannot find a satisfying identity in the Occidental world. Israel is much more prepared for this than the rest of the world will ever be. Yes, there will be more suicide killings in Europe and the U.S. Sadly, this is only the beginning.
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Imam Hasan marrying and divorcing numerous wives (said to number sixty to ninety)

Three hundred concubines?
Some Islamic historians, such as Al-Madā'inī and Muhammad Al-Kalbī, claimed that Hasan lived a life of indulgence and ease, marrying and divorcing numerous wives (said to number sixty to ninety) and accumulating three hundred concubines. Some scholars still accept these stories [5].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasan_ibn_Ali#_note-3
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This is the first evidence of deception! Why lie about Ali's appearance?

http://www.derafsh-kaviyani.com/english/ali666.html




We have been hearing statements like, Ali loved Iranian, Ali helped Iranian, Iranian Loved Ali and other similar statements forever. There are two kinds of Islamists, the charlatan ones like Dr. Shariati and the ignorant ones like any ordinary people, who believe and repeat these baseless statements. They go even further and say there have NEVER been any killing, massacre of Iranian women and man in hands of Tazis. They claim that Iranian embraced the invading savages with love and accepted Islam freely. The charlatan Islamists are the educated ones so they know the truth but because they are charlatans, they intentionally lie to deceive people. Those ignorant Islamists are simply ignorant, they don't know any better but nevertheless they do not try to find out the truth. The overlap of an ignorant person to become a charlatan happens when one face these facts and still blindly deny them.

We have many articles posted on our site regarding this issue but now we try to have them in one place to give a better perspective. We will try to show that Ali himself WAS involved in the war against Iranian and advised Umar in making important decisions. There have been many Islamists in power during our history and they have meticulously changed, deleted books in order to paint a false picture about Ali and his family for Iranian. For instance there are bits and pieces of information left to suggest that Ali himself was presence in invading Iran and destroying Tysfon. You have to read between the lines. EVEN if some argue that the evidence is not enough for that, the help and the aid he gave to Umar is enough to put him in the same category as Umar, since Ali was Umar's number one adviser.

Now why is this important? Only for the sake of the truth. Letting people of Iran know who these people were and what they have done. Who were their children and what they have done. Maybe then we stop using "ya Ali madad" less then we use today, maybe we stop worshiping the killers of our ancestors and treat them accordingly, as any other killer, Hitler, Stalin,...... And then maybe we can get on with our lives and start being Iranian.

I hope you can read Farsi because books that we refer to are in Farsi. Please take you time.

Again, same thing happens in Estakhr in Fars region. People revolt against the rule of Arabs during Ali's leadership and AGAIN they get crushed, massacred by Ali's governors. Please notice that it says, "az nu fath kard", "conquered again", it means that people have had revolted before and this was not the first time. You should ask yourself when people of Iran started to like this guy, Ali? For what reason?

So far we have seen crimes and savagery committed by Ali in Azerbaijan, Sisstan, Fars, Estakhr, Daylaman, Ghazvin, Rey and Hamadan. Now its Khorasan, as you see here, he sent troops many times to Khorasan. Although he was not always successful but he tried like any other Tazi would try. The point to notice here is the fact that, during and after his leadership, there were upraising and revolt in Khorasan along with other parts of Iran. Even when he got killed, Khorasan was in middle of a big revolt.

These FACTS prove that, people of Iran did NOT have any special feeling towards Ali and Ali did not feel any special love for Iranian. When he was alive and in power, Iranian didn't like him, so what happened that made Iranian to fall in love with him, after his dead??? This is indeed what both ignorant and charlatan Islamist claim, that Ali loved Iranian and Iranian loved him. Where is it?????? In fact Iranian displayed the same disgust towards him as they showed towards Umar.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:45 am    Post subject: Thus Spoke the Pope :) Reply with quote

Thus Spoke the Pope Smile
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:41:31 -0700


http://www.albawaba.com/en/news/203228


September 14th, 2006

...In a speech to academics on Tuesday, Benedict had portrayed Islam as a religion which endorses violence, where faith is "spread by the sword". Using the words, "Jihad" and "Holy War" in lecture at the University of Regensburg, he quoted criticism of Prophet Muhammad by a 14th Century Byzantine Christian emperor.

"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached," Benedict quoted Manuel II.

http://www.uni-regensburg.de/Universitaet/welcome2.html
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:58 am    Post subject: Re: Thus Spoke the Pope :) Reply with quote

Pope Benedict XVI Statement is Correct -
Ignorant Muslims Can Not Accept The Truth About Islam because they have not studied history of Islam.
1- Today Majority of 70 Million Iranians are rejecting Islam.
2- Very few Iranian-American ever go to Mosque or practice Islam.
3- Islam is considered as dead religion in Iran.
4- When Iran becomes free, Iranian people are best force against Islam.

5- Due to the fact that Majority of Muslim who pray 5 times a day can not read Quran, their Islam is their own version and majority of these people are not violent and most of them peaceful.
But the real Islam that is written in Quran and by Prophet Muhammad is very violent , and unfortunately can not be reformed.
6- What is this garbage by Islamist fools who they say there are 1.5 billion Muslim, the fact is that only small percentage practice Islam the rest are Muslim by name ...



ViaDrEtebar wrote:
Thus Spoke the Pope Smile
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:41:31 -0700


http://www.albawaba.com/en/news/203228


September 14th, 2006

...In a speech to academics on Tuesday, Benedict had portrayed Islam as a religion which endorses violence, where faith is "spread by the sword". Using the words, "Jihad" and "Holy War" in lecture at the University of Regensburg, he quoted criticism of Prophet Muhammad by a 14th Century Byzantine Christian emperor.

"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached," Benedict quoted Manuel II.

http://www.uni-regensburg.de/Universitaet/welcome2.html


Quote:
Muslims in uproar over pope's remarks on Islam 19 minutes ago

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060915/ts_afp/vaticanpopeislam_060915133310

VATICAN CITY (AFP) - A wave of Muslim outrage swept the globe after Pope Benedict XVI linked Islam with violence, with the Pakistani parliament demanding that he retract the statement.

In India, the head of the minorities commission said the pope, who is the leader of a billion Catholics worldwide, sounded like a medieval crusader.

And in Gaza City, a grenade exploded outside a Christian church, although there were no casualties or damage.

Outgoing Hamas prime minister Ismail Haniya said the head of the Roman Catholic Church should "stop attacking Islam".

"These remarks go against the truth and touch the heart of our faith," Haniya told reporters after the main weekly Muslim prayers in a Gaza mosque.

"The pope should revise his comments and stop attacking Islam, which is the religion of more than 1.5 billion people in the world," he added.

The pope made the comments in a complex speech in the German city of Regensburg on Tuesday, implicitly denouncing connections between Islam and violence, particularly with regard to jihad, or "holy war".

His official spokesman said later that Benedict respected Islam but rejected violence motivated by religion.

The explanation failed to quell anger across the Muslim world.

The Pakistani parliament Friday unanimously called on the pontiff to take back his words.

"This House demands that the pope should retract his remarks in the interest of harmony between religions," said the resolution passed by the National Assembly of the overwhelmingly Muslim country.

"The derogatory remarks of the pope about the philosophy of jihad and Prophet Mohammed have injured sentiments across the Muslim world and pose the danger of spreading acrimony among the religions," the resolution said.

The Pakistani foreign office also waded into the row, saying the pope's words would undermine international efforts for peace between religions.

The comments also stirred anger in India with the head of the National Commission for Minorities saying the Pope sounded like a medieval crusader.

"The language used by the pope sounds like that of his 12th century counterpart who ordered the crusades," said Hamid Ansari, chairman of the National Commission for Minorities.

The commission's role includes maintaining harmony between officially secular India's majority Hindu population and other groups, including Muslims who number 130 million in the country of 1.1 billion.

A member of the All India Muslim Personal Law Board also slammed the pope, saying his words were "nothing but blasphemy," and called on Muslims to "exercise restraint and not lose their cool."

The Muslim Brotherhood, the leading opposition force in the Egyptian parliament, said the pope's comments were more serious than the cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed whose publication in European newspapers caused outrage this year.

"I foresee an extreme reaction to the pope's words, which harm Islam more than the cartoons because they come from a leader who represents millions of people and not just from a journalist," said a senior official of the group, Abdel Moneim Abul Futuh.

The pope's comments, made during a six-day visit to his native Bavaria, were couched in a historical reference to a 14th century Byzantine emperor.

Quoting the Byzantine source on the Prophet Mohammed, founder of the Muslim faith, the pope said in his speech: "He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.'"

The words also caused anger in Turkey, the destination of the pope's next foreign trip in November.

The head of Turkey's state-run religious affairs directorate, Ali Bardakoglu, described the remarks as "a statement full of enmity and grudge" and said he should not come to Turkey.

In Indian Kashmir, where an Islamic separatist insurgency has raged since 1989, the Muslim League group called a day-long strike Friday.

In Iran, a top hardline cleric, Ahmad Khatami, said: "It is a pity that the leader of the world's Christians is so uninformed about Islam and speaks so rudely."

A powerful Sunni cleric in Iraq urged the government to expel the Vatican's representative over the comments.

"Do not ignore these remarks and expel the ambassador of the Vatican," Mahmud al-Issawi said in his Friday sermon.

And in Britain the Ramadan Foundation compared the pope unfavourably to his predecessor John Paul II.

"The late pope John Paul II spent over 25 years to build bridges and links with the Muslim community. He showed the world that its perception of Islam was false and that we are peace-loving people," it said.




How Can You Find Out Whether You Are Muslim or Not?
If you are Iranian-American and you don’t know whether you are Muslim or Not.
This is a quick guideline for Iranian-American to find out whether you are Muslim Or Not ?

- If you are freedom-loving person and believe in Free Society then you can not be Muslim .
- If you believe in Human Rights and Women Rights you can not be Muslim.
- If you love peace then you can not be Muslim because Quran is a book of war
- If you hate violence and Terror you can not be Muslim.
- If you are Freedom-loving Iranian then you can not be Muslim.
- If your name Islamic and after research you find out that you don’t agree with Islam then you might consider to change your name.
- If you want to know more read the following book:



How Can We Become Iranian?


It is the irony of history that in the land of Cyrus The Great, the birthplace of the first charter of the “Rights of Nations” and the “Declaration of Human Rights” over 2500 years ago, there is today no respect for human and civil rights by Pro Hezbollah Islamofascist occupiers of Iran. Cyrus, who was exceptionally tolerant of local religions and local customs and against slavery, is famous for freeing the 42,000 Jewish captives and allowing them to return to their homeland. His name appears twenty two times in the Bible. Were it not for Cyrus, it seems at least possible that the Jewish people would have become extinct in the fifth century BC and we would have never received their great contributions to mankind. Unfortunately, present day Iran is ruled by a small group of Islamic Mafia Clerics who are the embodiment of evil and have no respect for Human Rights in this land which is the birthplace of Darius The Great, Babak, Avicenna (Ibn Sina), Ferdowsi, Khayyam, Hafaz, Saadi and Rumi.

Top Harvard University Scholar Professor Richard Nelson Frye
Lecture at UCLA Royce Hall - March 13, 2005
- Iranian is a culture.
- The second occupation of Iran By Muslims and Arabs happened again with the revolution.
- Iranian poetry is world poetry, no one is better than the Iranian poets.
- Everyone in Iran is a poet.
Listen to an excerpt of the lecture - Real Audio (05:09)
Source URL: http://activistchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=28221#28221

Ferdowsi : The following is the highest level of code of ethics for all time defined for humanity from masterpiece of The Epic of Kings by Ferdowsi (935-1020) the World famous Persian (Iranian) poet. This is unmatched by anything that has been written before Ferdowsi :
“Crush not even the tiny ant that beareth a grain of
corn, for she hath life, and sweet life is a boon.”

"Human beings are all members of one body.
They are created from the same essence.
When one member is in pain,
The others cannot rest.
If you do not care about the pain of others,
You do not deserve to be called a human being."
A Quote from Famous Persian Poet Saadi Shirazi
( 13th century Persian poet, from Shiraz the birthplace of Ms. Zahra Kazemi)

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URL Reference Information
For The History of Atrocities of Arab Muslim, Tazzis on Iran and Its Culture.
After increasing your awareness No Iranians with right mind can be Muslim and
Shame on Shirin Ebadi who called herself "Muslim Woman" :

http://activistchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=28382#28382



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was never much a fan of the pope, but I have to agree with this statement.
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Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached


"Evil and inhuman" hits the nail right on the head.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:30 pm    Post subject: Proving the Pope right Reply with quote

Proving the Pope right

By: Amil Imani

Pope Benedict XVI in his speech of September 12 at the University of Regensburg, Germany, perhaps unintentionally provided the Muslims with a golden opportunity: the opportunity to prove to all enemies of Islam that Muhammad indeed gave the world magnificent new teachings.

The Pope, in the course of his speech alluded to a 1391 comment of the Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus in a debate with an educated Persian: “Show me just what Mohammad brought that was new, and there you find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”

No sooner the Muslims learned of this comment than, once again, rage engulfed them. They became indignant, hysterical and ready to war. Not long ago, there was the report, published by a rag seeking to boost its sacking circulation, that American military personnel have flushed the Quran down the toilet: A physical impossibility that turned out to be baseless, upon investigation. Yet, Muslim Street bellowed with anger, attacks on non-Muslims and their properties were unleashed and lives were lost in the violence.

Before long, we had the imbroglio of the Danish cartoons insulting Muhammad, as the Muslim saw it. Embassies were torched, boycotts were enacted and all kinds of threats were hurled at the tiny nation for one of its newspapers printing cartoons that Muslims felt were offensive.

Before the dust could settle, the President of the United States of America, George W. Bush, dared to call “Islamic fascists,” Islamic fascists. Truth is not always welcomed in all quarters. Islamic centers and their well-paid highly vocal lobbying hires launched a furious attack on the President for the use of the term “fascist” in connection with the rarified name of Islam. Opportunists such as to the left of the left Democratic Senator from Wisconsin, Russ Feingold found the President’s usage so unacceptable that he took it upon himself to write a letter to the President and lecturing him.

And now the Head of the Catholic Church has greatly offended the sensibilities of Muslims by quoting a long ago statement of an emperor in a debate.

Muslims wear their religion on their sleeves and the slightest contrary wind disturbs its cozy sanctified perch. Yet, these very people of great religious fervor have no problem in inflicting all kinds of verbal and physical abuse on non-Muslims. Why the double standards? Read the Quran.

The Islamic world is once again in uproar. Why should the Muslims be outraged? Why should they react by torching churches, shooting a nun in the back, and retaliating by calling Pope and Christians all kinds of names? What happened to reason and dialogue? Their “Dialogue-man,” the smiling fake Mullah Khatami, is presently touring the West to promote dialogues. Apparently the snake-oil salesman Mullah means a different thing by “dialogue.” His side can say and do whatever they want, and the other sides should simply acquiesce—a great Islamic offer.

The Muslims missed a golden opportunity. Their greatly-pampered legions of high clerics should have put their medieval heads together and made the case for Islam, if they could. If successful, not only they would have humiliated the Pontiff but impressed the rank-and-file Christians of the marvelous good teachings that Muhammad brought for mankind, for the first time. An added benefit could have been the conversion of the disbelievers to Islam.

Yet, the way the Islamic leaders are responding to the Pontiff’s speech is indeed a great embarrassment to Islam at a time the world is repeatedly shocked by the many barbarities Muslims commit. The Supreme Spiritual Guide of Iran’s Muslims, Mullah Khamenei, for instance, has urged the close-minded faithful to hold huge protest demonstrations. It appears that the call of the Mullah for demonstrations is an attempt at intimidation, the best he can do since he does not have a rational defensible response and he is not able to send his assassins all the way to Rome to carry out the Islamic favorite way of supplying answers. Also, who knows, perhaps some of his rabid followers, the three Fs: fools, fanatics and frauds will find a nun to shoot in the back during the hoped-for hysterical gatherings. If not, there are a few churches in the country that can be looted first and then burned to the ground.

Question: How in the world a huge demonstration is the appropriate answer to the perceived affront allegedly committed by the Pontiff’s speech? With great spiritual guides like Khamenei, Islam does not need non-Muslims to go to the trouble of defaming it. Islam’s teachings and Muslims’ actions are more than convincing proof to any impartial person to second the Pontiff’s speech.

Islamic web sites and newspapers have supplied their own form of rebuttal to the Pontiff’s statement. They proudly, some contend shamelessly, wave the sword and promise the end of all infidels, people of the cross and the Zionists.

Only three days after the Pope’s speech, Iraq’s Mujahidin Shura Council issued its own very Islamic response, inadvertently substantiating the Pontiff’s comment. Here is a part of what the Council posted:

"After the stupid and obeyed bearer of the cross flag, Bush, declared a few years back the start of a new crusade on Islam and its people and launched his crusade with the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, the servant of the cross, the Vatican Pope, appears before us, orbiting around Bush, to continue in Bush's footsteps with his flagrant assault on Islam and its prophet, Muhammad, may God's peace and blessings be upon him, especially with his remarks on 'the duty of jihad in the name of God' -- a duty that flowed through the body of the nation and terrified crusaders the world over."

The self-appointed custodian of the religion of “peace” continues with its superb logical reasoning by warning the “worshippers of the cross”: “You and the Romans are on a date with the defeat you see every day in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya, and elsewhere." The Council promises to "Break the cross, spill the wine, and enforce the al-jizyah (tax levied on non-Muslims in return for protection), leaving people with a choice between Islam and the sword." The statement vows, "For we will press forth with our jihad and will not stop until Allah enables us to cut your throats, and until the banner of monotheism is raised and Allah's law prevails over all lands and all people."

You be the judge. Did these defenders of the one and only true religion of Allah say anything that in any way falsifies the quotation the Pontiff used?

“There is not a truth existing which I fear [...] or would wish unknown to the whole world,” said Thomas Jefferson.

This is truth. The barbarians are at the gate. This time around, the people of the sword have their collaborator Useful Idiots inside busily doing all they can to dismantle our secular democratic system and replace it with the tyrannical Islamofascism.

Amil Imani is an Iranian-born American citizen and pro-democracy activist residing in the United States of America. Imani is a columnist, literary translator, novelist and an essayist who has been writing and speaking out for the struggling people of his native land, Iran. He maintains a website at http://amilimani.com
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Radicals vs. moderates: British Muslims at crossroads

POSTED: 1:50 p.m. EST, January 18, 2007
Story Highlights• Extremist: "In war, people die"
• Many moderates say foreign policy is to blame for growing radicalism
• Moderate says some extremists believe killing people is "quite cool"
• Imam Usama Hasan says Quran does not justify killings, religion is about peace
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/01/17/warwithin.overview/index.html

DUBLIN, Ireland (CNN) -- At a recent debate over the battle for Islamic ideals in England, a British-born Muslim stood before the crowd and said Prophet Mohammed's message to nonbelievers is: "I come to slaughter all of you."

"We are the Muslims," said Omar Brooks, an extremist also known as Abu Izzadeen . "We drink the blood of the enemy, and we can face them anywhere. That is Islam and that is jihad."
Anjem Choudary, the public face of Islamist extremism in Britain, added that Muslims have no choice but to take the fight to the West.

"What are Muslims supposed to do when they are being killed in the streets in Afghanistan and Baghdad and Palestine? Do they not have the same rights to defend themselves? In war, people die. People don't make love; they kill each other," he said. (Audio slide show: Preying on Britain's young Muslims)

But in the same debate, held on the prestigious grounds of Dublin's Trinity College in October, many people in the crowd objected.

"These people, ladies and gentleman, have a good look at them. They actually believe if you kill women and children, you will go to heaven," said one young Muslim who waved his finger at the radicals.

"This is not ideology. It's a mental illness." (Watch 'No chance in hell' )
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come on

You really think Iranians (the people actually living there not North America or Europe) are going to reject Islam?


Only a certain segment of the upper class (the type you'd find on internet message boards) have lost interest in the faith. The vast majority of the poor, which is most of Iran, are still very much committed muslims.


In fact, insulting their faith is a sure way for the opposition to lose credibility with them.
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Believe me when I say "that can change." ...And it must change. It is already changing. Over 50,000 people are reported to have converted to christianity last year in Iran alone. Also 20,000 are reported to have converted to Zoroastrianism. Link: http://www.iam-online.net/ (Of course they don't say this publically as it would lead to ostracism or even death) The truth is most people in Iran know that the reason they are poor is because of Islam and this Islamic government. Both Islam and this Islamic Government will be defeated and we will all be there to see it!
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Cyrizian wrote:
Believe me when I say "that can change." ...And it must change. It is already changing. Over 50,000 people are reported to have converted to christianity last year in Iran alone. Also 20,000 are reported to have converted to Zoroastrianism. Link: http://www.iam-online.net/ (Of course they don't say this publically as it would lead to ostracism or even death) The truth is most people in Iran know that the reason they are poor is because of Islam and this Islamic government. Both Islam and this Islamic Government will be defeated and we will all be there to see it!



That report is misleading. The 50 000 comes from an estimate on the number of people watching their christian channel.

How do they get that tv rating estimate from Iran? I have no idea and neither do they probably.


Out of curiosity, when was the last time a nation voluntarily switched faiths?
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