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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 7:23 am    Post subject: The Meaning Of a Religious Democracy Reply with quote

Some Recommendations By The Leader Of The Islamic Republic, Ayatollah Khamenei, In His Meeting With Students, Teachers and University Lecturers in Hamadan
8th July 2004




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The Meaning Of a Religious Democracy

When we talk about a religious democracy today, we should know that by this we only mean an Islamic republic. Some people today discuss democracy in exaggerated or sometimes in very unfair terms. The rule of the people has no precedent in the history of Iran for it never existed before; it only came about with the inception of the Islamic Republic, that is, the concept and its realization both came into existence along with the Islamic Republic.

Obviously there is always room for improvement, any system could be expanded and deepened to aim at better qualities, and there is no doubt about this. Yet we must be fair in our discussion of the Islamic Republic, for it was the Islamic Revolution that granted us this Islamic Republic. Two facts are conspicuously valid in this discussion. First we understand that it is the people who should decide, choose and move; this is the republican part of the religious democracy and secondly that the aims, aspirations and ideals of this choice should be given us by Islam. The republic could have been defined by other qualifiers other than "Islamic". Let us have a world-wide look. What systems are there throughout the world? What are the aims and aspirations of the existing, liberal democracies? Who are the people who define those aspirations? Are they the great thinkers, humanitarian theorists and those who do care for human destiny? No, not at all. Those who draw the lines and pull the strings are the people who dominate governments and the powers that dominate the world: The cartels, trusts, big corporates and the capitalists and, today more than ever, the Zionists.

Today we are clearly witnessing how these dominant elements deceive the public opinion through their constant lies by hypocritical publicities of their mass media. They do not stop talking about "human rights", but in fact what they don't give a fig about are human rights! They speak of democracy, but the rulers of today's liberal democracies are absolutely no democrats! Even in their own countries, in the United States and many European countries, there is no democracy in the true sense of the word. They invade Afghanistan and Iraq, occupy other lands and kill and plunder, and yet they shamelessly talk about democracy!


Source: http://www.khamenei.ir/EN/Speaks/Hamadaan.jsp

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Guardian Council manipulates the laws; it is a betrayal of the revolution.

Velayat-Faqih must be abolished.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know about richard armitage's version of democracy, or those who accepted that an islamic republic for afghanistan is a democracy!

but anyone in their right mind can see how the word Islamic added to any type of governance will make it absolutely undemocratic, for a very simple reason:

it is dictating the laws upon many who are not muslim for once, many more who want to choose their way of life and practice their Human Rights.

it's against the very basic Human Rights.

but please western politicians, don't let this stop you from making more islamic republics here and there! and calling it democratic.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shahriar wrote:
The Guardian Council manipulates the laws; it is a betrayal of the revolution.

Velayat-Faqih must be abolished.


I agree with Ayatollah Shahriar Twisted Evil

Democracy and islamic republic in one sentence is quite an oxymoron....
In fact islam and democracy is an oxymoron....
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blank wrote:
Shahriar wrote:
The Guardian Council manipulates the laws; it is a betrayal of the revolution.

Velayat-Faqih must be abolished.


I agree with Ayatollah Shahriar Twisted Evil

Democracy and islamic republic in one sentence is quite an oxymoron....
In fact islam and democracy is an oxymoron....



I am in no position to be called an Ayatollah. It takes hard-work and dedication to reach such high ranking. I only know so much about Islam (Shiite) that it is not even close to be compared to an Ayatollah.

As to your other statement, it is false to claim that there is no democracy in the Muslim world. At least 750 million Muslims live in democratic societies of one kind or another, including Indonesia, Bangladesh, India, Europe, North America, Israel, and even our own Iran.

Western scholars repeatedly have tried to present Islam as anti-democratic and inherently authoritarian. By misrepresenting Islam in this way they seek to prove that Islam has a set of values inferior to western liberalism and is a barrier to the global progress of civilization. This misconception also promotes Israel's claim to be the sole democracy in the Middle East.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shahriar,

Darood,

Thought you may appreciate this....


Remarks at the Annual State Department Iftaar Dinner


Secretary Condoleezza Rice
Benjamin Franklin Room
Washington, DC
October 25, 2005

(7:18 p.m. EDT)

SECRETARY RICE: Good evening. Ramadan Kareem. Ladies and gentlemen, I am
honored that distinguished members of the Diplomatic Corps could be here this
evening and I am very pleased at the representation of our civil society and
faith-based communities. Thank you very much for joining me tonight.

As a former academic, I appreciate that so many professors and students are
also with us here today, especially the Fulbrighters and other visiting
scholars. There is really nothing more important that we do than the exchange
of young people between countries.

And of course, let me extend a warm greeting to the many members of the
national and international media who are joining us as well.

Welcome, all of you, to our Annual State Department Iftaar Dinner. I want to
thank you, Imam Hendi, for that really beautiful and moving invocation. We will
always remember the spirit of Ramadan as you talk to us about it.

In the past few years, I've had the chance to attend several Iftaar Dinners
that President Bush has hosted at the White House. These meals have given me
the opportunity to speak with many Muslim men and women and to gain a deeper
understanding of the month of Ramadan. I have learned that Ramadan is
characterized by sacrifice and abiding faith, by prayer and self-reflection and
by compassion and profound joy.

I've also learned that Ramadan inspires more than a billion Muslims all across
the world to renew their bonds to family and friends, to neighbors and
colleagues, and most of all to God.

We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it
in many ways. And most recently, in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, Muslim
nations extended some of the most generous offers of support that we received.
And after the recent earthquake in South Asia, the entire world watched as
thousands of Muslims, deep in the observance of Ramadan, led the relief effort
without breaking their fast.

We in America also know that Muslims, like people of all faiths and people of
no faith at all, possess certain basic rights that arise from our equal human
dignity. Among these are the right to live without oppression, the right to
worship without persecution, and the right to think and speak and assemble
without wrongful retribution.

Ladies and gentlemen, these are not American rights or Western rights. They are
human rights, unanimously desired and universally deserved. Muslims freely
exercise their rights as American citizens and Muslims have claimed their
rights throughout Northern Africa and Western Europe and Central Asia and
Southeast Asia.

President Bush believes that when states guarantee the basic rights of their
citizens, our world grows more just and more secure. We in America support
people of every culture and race and religion who wish to make their own
decisions and choose their own governments and speak their own minds. We know
that free choices may produce disagreement, but listening to one another and
exchanging ideas respectfully and cooperating wherever and whenever we can,
this is the essence of democracy and it is also the mission of diplomacy.

America supports the democratic aspirations of all people, not because we think
ourselves perfect; to the contrary, it is precisely because we are imperfect,
with a long history of failures and false starts, that we cherish democracy and
support others who embrace its challenges.

This weekend, I returned home to Birmingham, Alabama. I took with me Foreign
Minister Jack Straw of the United Kingdom and we returned a bit to the
Birmingham of my childhood, a Birmingham in which rights and freedom were
denied to people of my color. It was a place in which it was very clear that we
had not come very far from the time when the Founding Fathers said, "We the
people," and didn't mean me.

But I saw another Birmingham, too, a Birmingham that had been launched by the
great pioneer who we lost last night, Rosa Parks, a woman of enormous courage,
a woman of gentle spirit but of a very tough backbone and a wonderful heart, a
heart the size of America.

And I visited, too, the Birmingham that she launched, a Birmingham that is
starting to come together, where faiths are starting to come together, where
people of different colors and different ethnicities are starting to come
together. And I thought to myself that it is a wonderful thing for the human
spirit when human beings overcome their history and their legacy of oppression
and failures to make a new start.

So, of all nations, America has no cause for false pride and we have every
reason for humility. But we also have every reason to believe that when people
rise up for the universal principles of democracy, they will not be denied.

So, on behalf of all the men and women of the State Department, thank you for
honoring us with your presence this evening. Thank you for what you do every
day as people of a great faith, of one of the world's great religions, of a
religion of peace and love. Thank you for spending this important holiday
evening with us. Ramadan Kareem. (Applause.)

Now I am supposed to tell you that dinner's not quite over. There will be
coffee and dessert served, so we'll relax now and have coffee and dessert.

2005/986



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks you Oppenheimer. As an Iranian muslim I sincerely enjoyed that article.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shahriar,

I think Blank regards Khomenism as incompatible with Democracy....and he has a valid argument, as in my opinion this is an "apostate" branch of Islam which has interpreted the Koran in a perverted vision of what Mohammed PBUH intended.

How then can the Muslim world, or collective Umma rectify this situation, and stand with the democratic Iranian opposition, that are not of the Muslim faith, nor trusting of it, due to their experience with Khomenism?

I refer to Antar's call for the obliteration of Israel today, which parallels Ussama bin Ladin's own ideology of terrorism.

Ussama was declared an "apostate of Islam", therefore would it not be rational for the following to be implemented by Muslims of true faith in protection of the Umma, by declaring Jihad against these apostates?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shahriar wrote:
blank wrote:
Shahriar wrote:
The Guardian Council manipulates the laws; it is a betrayal of the revolution.

Velayat-Faqih must be abolished.


I agree with Ayatollah Shahriar Twisted Evil

Democracy and islamic republic in one sentence is quite an oxymoron....
In fact islam and democracy is an oxymoron....



I am in no position to be called an Ayatollah. It takes hard-work and dedication to reach such high ranking. I only know so much about Islam (Shiite) that it is not even close to be compared to an Ayatollah.

As to your other statement, it is false to claim that there is no democracy in the Muslim world. At least 750 million Muslims live in democratic societies of one kind or another, including Indonesia, Bangladesh, India, Europe, North America, Israel, and even our own Iran.Western scholars repeatedly have tried to present Islam as anti-democratic and inherently authoritarian. By misrepresenting Islam in this way they seek to prove that Islam has a set of values inferior to western liberalism and is a barrier to the global progress of civilization. This misconception also promotes Israel's claim to be the sole democracy in the Middle East.


If you think there is democracy in Iran, You must be on the payroll, I have seen a lot of people like you, there was one on SMCCDI, and your job is to monitor the websites and report to your raghead bosses..... Your counterpart on SMCCDI got such an earful from freedom lovers that he disappeared. Probably changed his name and tactics to be able to keep visiting the site........
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Blank,

Listen, I don't feel like your accusation has any merit that this fellow is anything like "artist" on SMCCDI...as for his statement regarding Democracy...even in Iran....you may very well be misinterpreting him.
Unjustly so.

While Khomenism is certainly against all precepts of Democracy as it is applied in society...he may simply have been refering to the fact that many Muslims in Iran are totally fed up with the Mullocratic system of government, and are really waiting for the day when a true democracy can be born in Iran....

As far as the rest, he's totally right about a majority of Muslims throughout the world live in democratic societies.

However, I would say that there is various schools of thought within western scholar's interpretation of how Islam has presented itself to the rest of the world...it's not a lump sum calculation...Islam itself is split between radical fundementalism and more moderate peace loving Muslims.

Israel is not blind to the fact that Turkey for instance is a predominantly Muslim Democracy, nor is it blind to the democratic reforms within the greater middle east as a whole, including the budding democracy next door in Palestine, and Lebanon.


I'm sure he will illuminate our understanding of his meaning, in any case, so give the fellow the benefit of your open mind, rather than condem without evidence. It would simply be far better to ask him to explain or elaborate on his meaning.

This is how reasonable people interact....please keep this in mind.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Oppie:
Please understand, mullah Shahriar is the one saying, "there is democracy even in Iran".... that is pretty straight forward, and does not need to be subjected to interpretation. If you choose to see what is obvious differently, then that is your prerogative.
Indeed, I see it quite differently, I believe with his raghead avatar and posting pictures from islam on a secular activist website it does not take much thinking......In fact I believe if he does not stop posting islamic crap on this site he should be warned, and if he does not follow the rules, then he should be banned, and go back to IR, enjoy his democracy over there not here........
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Blank, I know what he said, but there are different ways to interpret such a broad statement such as: "there is democracy even in Iran"....

There are certanly those with democratic aspirations, and as he did not specificly reference the IRI in that broad statement, then I feel it is wiser to simply let him clarify it rather than to assume.

There are a lot of Muslims in Iran Blank, and if 80-90% of the population is opposed to the mullahs regime...then that logicly means there are several million Muslims that are looking for Democracy in Iran....which would give his statement some rational basis of fact.

I think it is how it is worded that give you the impression. I would say if his avatar was that of Khomeni, then you'd have a valid rationale...but you cannot condem all Muslims, Blank....their opinions run the gamut, and you are basing your assumptions on very little if any factual basis as yet.

So let him respond...this is only fair...it is after all a democratic forum, and there is evidence by his initial statement that he is opposed to the IRI regime.

Which you agreed with, by the way....so don't go looking for a fight when there may be no basis for one with the man.

As I said there is a number of ways it may be interpreted:



Daily Press Briefing
Sean McCormack, Spokesman
Washington, DC
October 27, 2005

(excerpt)

QUESTION:

The statement by the Iranian leader, I wondered, of course I can image the U.S.
reaction to it, but has the U.S. used its contacts with Iran to follow up in
any way?

MR. MCCORMACK: Well, we have spoken out quite clearly in public from this
podium as well as from the White House, Barry, regarding our thoughts on the
President's statement, as I said yesterday. I think when you take President
Ahmadi-Nejad's speech at the UN in combination with his speech yesterday, you
start to collect some data points here about really what the true face of this
regime is, its underlying thinking and its underlying attitudes. And I think
what all of this does is underscores the validity of our, and the world's,
serious concern about Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons, as well as its
continuing support for terrorism and oppression of its own people.

QUESTION: Did this trigger anything on the U.S. side beyond your statements?

MR. MCCORMACK: I will check, Barry. I don't know if we have passed any formal
diplomatic messages, but we have spoken out quite clearly on the matter in
public.

QUESTION: Do you sense that the rest of the world is as straightforward in
opposing what was said as the U.S. Government is? And if it isn't, is the U.S.
trying to rally allies, at least, to look at it the way you look at it?

MR. MCCORMACK: I think that you can look at the public comments for yourself. I
saw that Foreign Minister Lavrov had some very strong comments in reaction.

QUESTION: Yes.

MR. MCCORMACK: I would expect that there are others, although I don't have a
catalog of them. We have also made it very clear that our posts around the
world should make very clear where we stand on this kind of rhetoric coming out
of Iran and from the head of state.

QUESTION: Should Iran be kicked out of the United Nations for this comment?

MR. MCCORMACK: Again, I've seen the news reports suggesting this. Again, Iran
is a member of the United Nations. What I think we would encourage instead is
Iran to start behaving in a responsible manner as a member of the international
community, cease its pursuit of nuclear weapons under the cover of a civilian
nuclear program, end its support for terror and stop oppressing its own people.

QUESTION: So if you're saying the pursuit of nuclear weapon under the guise of
a civilian program, is that also -- are you also throwing in the Bushehr
project?

MR. MCCORMACK: As we have talked about it before, our concern is with Iran's
having the know-how, the technology and the capability to enrich or reprocess
on its territory. We have said that that is an important step that would allow,
we believe, it to develop a nuclear weapon, which is a shared goal -- which all
share the goal of preventing: Russia, the United States, the EU-3.

We have pointed to the Bushehr deal as a deal that addresses the central
concern of Iran not having the nuclear fuel cycle on its own territory. It has
a fuel take-back provision. We think that that demonstrates clearly Russia's
discomfort with the idea of Iran having the nuclear fuel cycle on its
territory.

QUESTION: But given that agreement with Russia, this is not a backing off of
your support for Bushehr -- with the proviso that the Russians take back their
--

MR. MCCORMACK: Again, the deal as it is structured, I think, was -- it evolved
to -- at the current point where you do have the fuel take-back provision, as a
result of Russia's concerns about Iran's behavior and Iran's intention to seek
nuclear weapons, as well as discussions over the years with the international
community about their concerns regarding the Bushehr deal. And as a result,
they have structured it in such a way to address the concerns -- their own
concerns as well as the concerns of the international community.

Barry.

QUESTION: Why you were working over in that other building --

MR. MCCORMACK: Anything else on -- it's Iran.

QUESTION: Yes. While you were working in the other building, there was a
persistent theory in the State Department by many people, I think the Deputy
Secretary of State, in fact, said let's start talking to them and that there
are really two Irans -- that there's a more liberal Iran, there's a democratic
inclined segment of the population. And of course, there was hope that it would
take hold and have influence. Can we throw that theory in the trashcan by now
or do you guys still think that there's another -- there is another force in
Tehran that you hope will come to the fore that can be cultivated, that there's
hope for Iran taking a different world view?

MR. MCCORMACK: Well, what we have consistently stated over the years is that
the United States stands with the Iranian people and their aspirations for a
more free democratic state. Those aspirations have not been realized, as we
have seen the unelected few stand in the way of those aspirations. We recently
have offered -- we have accepted requests for proposals regarding promotion of
democracy programs. It is our Bureau of Democracy, Rights and Labor has put out
requests for proposals that would help fund programs promoting democracy in
Iran. We think that that is an important step. I would expect that at some
point this fall that we actually are able to award those grants on the amount
-- in the order of about $3 million or so.

So our support for the Iranian people in their aspirations for democracy are
steadfast. We believe that it is the unelected few which we now see represented
by the current government, President Ahmadi-Nejad, that stand in the way of
those aspirations. You are starting to see reports -- news reports coming out
of Iran of steps -- steps to sort of increase the oppression within Iran, you
know, mobile courts going throughout the country that are, you know, quite
disturbing. So this is a regime, again, that is out of step with the general
trends in the region towards greater freedom, greater democracy and more
openness.

QUESTION: You said that Russia expressed its concern, but actually the Russian
Foreign Minister said this doesn't change anything in Moscow position on the
nuclear program. He says the position is the same, so I don't see where is the
concern.

MR. MCCORMACK: I think again when the Iranian President speaks in terms of
wiping another state off the map, that is a source of concern for the
international community. I think Foreign Minister Lavrov stated his concern and
the Russian Government's concern about this issue.

QUESTION: Yeah, but --

MR. MCCORMACK: With regard to the nuclear issue, this is -- that is a matter
for continuing discussion among the members of the Board of Governors. I think
that right now there is -- the IAEA is going to produce a report that goes to
the Security Council regarding Iran's cooperation with the IAEA. We will see
what is contained in that report. What is contained in that report depends upon
Iran's actions. And I think we are in discussions with the EU-3, as well as
Russia and the other members of the Board of Governors, about Iran's behavior,
what further steps that the IAEA might be required if Iran continues to fail to
cooperate with the IAEA. It is a matter for continuing discussion among all the
members of the Board of Governors.

QUESTION: But he says -- he said these declarations ring forth the arguments of
people who don't want Iran to get nuclear civilian program, but it doesn't
change Russia's position. So actually, they don't express any more concern
today than yesterday.

MR. MCCORMACK: Of course, Foreign Minister Lavrov is free to speak on behalf of
his government, obviously. I would only add that, you know, the issue of Iran's
nuclear program is a matter of continuing discussion within the Board of
Governors. And in fact, what conclusions the IAEA comes to with this next
report, it's going to be up to Iran and how it is that they cooperate or do not
cooperate.

QUESTION: As for Iran's nuclear program is concerned, Iranians are saying that
they will continue to develop no matter what, under any circumstances, as far
as their nuclear program is concerned. Now, recently India working with the
European Union in Vienna, in Austria at the IAEA meeting against Iran. Visiting
Indian officials here are saying that India had never given its nuclear
technology to anywhere to any country. And on the one hand, A.Q. Khan has been
given nuclear technology to many countries, including Iran. My question is that
have anybody spoke to A.Q. Khan what and how much he has given to Iran?

MR. MCCORMACK: You know, our concerns about the A.Q. Khan network are well
known. We are working very closely with the Pakistani Government to dig into
all of the activities of the A.Q. Khan network. This is, as many of you have
reported, a widespread network that was providing nuclear weapons technology
and know-how to a variety of different states. And we have stated our concerns
about what A.Q. Khan may have provided to a variety of different states. I
think the IAEA is looking into this matter, exactly what A.Q. Khan might have
provided to Iran. I think is an open -- that's still an open question for IAEA
investigators. And we are looking to Iran to provide -- to come clean on these
issues and provide the information to IAEA investigators so all of these
questions can be cleared up.

QUESTION: But Sean, the U.S. never had any direct access to A.Q. Khan or
neither the IAEA, so we are still relying on what A.Q. Khan is telling the
Pakistani authorities and what Pakistani authorities are telling the U.S. and
IAEA.

MR. MCCORMACK: We are working closely with Pakistan on these questions and I
understand that IAEA authorities are working closely with the Pakistani
Government. We certainly encourage their continuing cooperation as a matter --
as this is a matter of intense international interest, and so we look forward
to that continuing cooperation.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the main problem on this forum. People simply go around accusing people that they are on the payroll of the I.R.

All I am saying is that Ayatollah Khomeini had a solid plan for Iran when he set his foot in Tehran in 1979. However, his plans were later abandoned by filthy Ayatollahs such as Ali Khame'ini. Our constitution must be reformed and I believe that we can still have democracy with Islam playing a role in society.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Guest,

He had a plan alright, to take Iran 1400 years into the past, and folks have not forgotten the bloodbath he initiated in doing so.

There's no possible way to defend the mullocracy on any level...the only way Iran will become a democracy...is if the mullah's go back to their mosques whense they came from, never to engage in politics again.

a theocratic system of government is not a democracy....only by separation of mosque and state can it be a true democracy...

And while muslims as individuals may of course partake in that democracy as individuals with a vote, and voice....or seek election by constituency as democracy allows, there is no present system, nor the institutions of democracy in Iran to allow for such a gradual change.

The mullahs and the IRI have to be replaced...period.

By a process involving a internationally monitored referendum to produce an interim gov...and a constitution that properly serves all the people, and move to a fully democratic system of government structure...

And this before this blindly militaristic ideological regime forces the international community to take military action in self defense, for the threat that the IRI poses to the region, is inevitably a threat to the Iranian people themselves.

Including Muslims like yourself.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anonymous wrote:
This is the main problem on this forum. People simply go around accusing people that they are on the payroll of the I.R.

All I am saying is that Ayatollah Khomeini had a solid plan for Iran when he set his foot in Tehran in 1979. However, his plans were later abandoned by filthy Ayatollahs such as Ali Khame'ini. Our constitution must be reformed and I believe that we can still have democracy with Islam playing a role in society.


Obviously, you are part of the problem (ragheads), if you think a genocidal murderer called khomeini "had a solid plan for Iran"...........
His solid plan was to commit genocide and take Iran 1500 years back. Before opening your mouth and praising these animals, there are many people here that have their family murdered in the hands of your bosses, so you are better off to keep your mouth shut than defending these apes.
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