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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:04 am    Post subject: Is this how you stand with the Iranians? Reply with quote

Dear Mr. President

On February 2, 2005, you issued clear warnings to Syria and Iran that they were next in your sights declaring a mission to spread democracy around the world.
In your state of the Union you said” There are still governments that sponsor and harbor terrorists, but their numbers have declined.
There are still regimes seeking weapons of mass destruction, but they are no longer without attention and without consequence."
Regarding Iran you said “Iran remains the world's primary sponsor of terror" and issued a direct message to Iranians to stand up to
the clerical regime in Tehran.
You declared "to the Iranian people, I say tonight: As you stand for your own liberty, America stands with you."
Mr. President; your promises to a nation must be kept to prove the American decency and sincerity.
Currently in Iran, people are planning to boycott the upcoming presidential elections, people are organizing and there are talks of
uprising against the tyrant regime of Tehran. Yet when it comes to action we learned that you are urging Congress to hold off on legislation
concerning H.R. 282/S. 333. Reference: http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/060105/members.html
and : http://www.radiofarda.com/iran_article/2005/6/8b4aa44c-4884-4024-b03e-cda5d149dbac.html .
Mr. President time after time you have encouraged the Iranians to stand up to the IRI regime yet at the most sensitive time your administration
abandons the Iranians. I recall two years ago (June 2003) after your repeated verbal support for the Iranians, people took to the streets for
almost two consecutive weeks protesting the atrocities of the IRI ahead of the July anniversary for the Iranian student uprising; yet at that time
your former Secretary of the State Mr. Powel declared the uprising a “family feud” and washed his hands off.
The regime in Iran can be changed by supporting the Iranians. The tyrants who rule Iran are thugs, who do not respect human rights,
contracts or rules of international diplomacy. The IRI has a renegade tract record for the past 26 years that is undeniable.
One of the required principals in Shia Islam is Taghieh, which means that they lie even under oath, when they think their action is helping Islam. Therefore when the regime leaders are under pressure to sign an agreement, they submit only to perform Taghieh and do the exact opposite at a later time. How can one negotiate and reach an agreement with these people? How could your administration be concerned that passage of H.R. 282/S. 333 legislation might disrupt sensitive negotiations about Iran's nuclear program?
The Iranian people are the most pro-American nations in Middle East, The EU big 3 (England, France and Germany) blatant disregard toward the Iranian’s
quest for liberty and their unconditional support for the IRI regime has created an intense animosity among the Iranians toward the EU, your support for
EU’s current policy for the sustenance of the IRI regime will only buy you hatred and amplify the Iranians’ fury.
Mr. President; sooner or later the IRI regime must be changed; execution of this matter in the hands of Iranians themselves will prevent American blood loss
down the road .
I urge you to take the Iranian people’s side before it is too late!

Respectfully

Ramin Etebar, M.D.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:25 pm    Post subject: President Sworn-In to Second Term Reply with quote

President Sworn-In to Second Term
Source URL: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/01/20050120-1.html
President's Remarks

Vice President Cheney, Mr. Chief Justice, President Carter, President Bush, President Clinton, reverend clergy, distinguished guests, fellow citizens:

There is only one force of history that can break the reign of hatred and resentment, and expose the pretensions of tyrants, and reward the hopes of the decent and tolerant, and that is the force of human freedom.

We are led, by events and common sense, to one conclusion: The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands. The best hope for peace in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world.


So it is the policy of the United States to seek and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every nation and culture, with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.

The great objective of ending tyranny is the concentrated work of generations. The difficulty of the task is no excuse for avoiding it. America's influence is not unlimited, but fortunately for the oppressed, America's influence is considerable, and we will use it confidently in freedom's cause.



We will persistently clarify the choice before every ruler and every nation: The moral choice between oppression, which is always wrong, and freedom, which is eternally right. America will not pretend that jailed dissidents prefer their chains, or that women welcome humiliation and servitude, or that any human being aspires to live at the mercy of bullies.


Today, America speaks anew to the peoples of the world:

All who live in tyranny and hopelessness can know: the United States will not ignore your oppression, or excuse your oppressors. When you stand for your liberty, we will stand with you.

Democratic reformers facing repression, prison, or exile can know: America sees you for who you are: the future leaders of your free country.

The rulers of outlaw regimes can know that we still believe as Abraham Lincoln did: "Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves; and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."

The leaders of governments with long habits of control need to know: To serve your people you must learn to trust them. Start on this journey of progress and justice, and America will walk at your side.

And all the allies of the United States can know: we honor your friendship, we rely on your counsel, and we depend on your help. Division among free nations is a primary goal of freedom's enemies. The concerted effort of free nations to promote democracy is a prelude to our enemies' defeat.



When the Declaration of Independence was first read in public and the Liberty Bell was sounded in celebration, a witness said, "It rang as if it meant something." In our time it means something still. America, in this young century, proclaims liberty throughout all the world, and to all the inhabitants thereof. Renewed in our strength - tested, but not weary - we are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:31 pm    Post subject: Where Is The Real Support for a Free Iran ? Reply with quote

Time is Running Out: Where Is The Real Support for a Free Iran from the Bush Administration?

1) "And secondly, I appreciate those courageous souls who speak out for freedom in Iran. They need to know America stands squarely by their side. And I would urge the Iranian administration to treat them with the utmost of respect. "

2) President Bush Praises Iranian Pro-Democracy Protestors KENNEBUNKPORT, Maine (Reuters) - President Bush on Sunday praised pro-democracy demonstrators in Iran, calling their protests a positive step toward freedom.
"This is the beginning of people expressing themselves toward a free Iran which I think is positive," President Bush said.

"I think that freedom is a powerful incentive,"
Bush told reporters after he attended church services during a weekend visit to Kennebunkport. "I believe that some day freedom will prevail everywhere because freedom is a powerful drive."

3) Remarks by National Security Advisor Dr. Condoleezza Rice at Town Hall Los Angeles June 12, 2003
"And so for the United States we have to stand with the aspirations of the Iranian people, which have been clearly expressed."


4) Remarks by the President Bush May 9, 2003 "And in Iran, the desire for freedom is stirring. In the face of harsh repression, Iranians are courageously speaking out for democracy and the rule of law and human rights. And the United States strongly supports their aspirations for freedom. "(Applause.)

5) President Bush State of the Union January 28, 2003 "Different threats require different strategies. In Iran, we continue to see a government that represses its people, pursues weapons of mass destruction, and supports terror. We also see Iranian citizens risking intimidation and death as they speak out for liberty and human rights and democracy. Iranians, like all people, have a right to choose their own government and determine their own destiny -- and the United States supports their aspirations to live in freedom. "(Applause.)


"The regime in Tehran must heed the democratic demands of the Iranian people or lose its last claim to legitimacy,"

Reuters - World News
Nov 6, 2003


WASHINGTON - U.S. President George W. Bush on Thursday challenged Iran and Syria and even key U.S. ally Egypt to adopt democracy and broke with past U.S. policy by vowing Washington will not support Arab states that reject liberty.

"The regime in Tehran must heed the democratic demands of the Iranian people or lose its last claim to legitimacy," Bush said in a sweeping foreign policy speech. He said Syrian leaders as well as those ousted in Iraq had promised a restoration of ancient glories but instead left "a legacy of torture, oppression, misery and ruin."

Of Egypt, whose president, Hosni Mubarak, has been a vital Middle East interlocutor for successive U.S. presidents, Bush said: "The great and proud nation of Egypt has shown the way toward peace in the Middle East and now should show the way toward democracy in the Middle East."

The speech was Bush's latest attempt to justify the war in Iraq as necessary to foster democracy in the region at a time when he is under fire for mounting U.S. troop casualties and as anti-Americanism spreads among many Muslims who feel Islam is under attack.

Bush declared a failure of past U.S. policy spanning 60 years in support of governments not devoted to political freedom.

"Sixty years of Western nations excusing and accommodating the lack of freedom in the Middle East did nothing to make us safe, because in the long run stability cannot be purchased at the expense of liberty," Bush said.

He called for democracy throughout the Middle East, praising the tentative steps that are taking places in such nations as Morocco, Bahrain, Kuwait and even Saudi Arabia, whose royal family is firmly in command.

"Are the peoples of the Middle East somehow beyond the reach of liberty? Are millions of men and women and children condemned by history or culture to live in despotism? Are they alone never to know freedom and never even have a choice in the matter? I, for one, do not believe it," Bush said.


Statement by the President

February 24, 2004
The White House
President Gerge W. Bush


I am very disappointed in the recently disputed parliamentary elections in Iran. The disqualification of some 2,400 candidates by the unelected Guardian Council deprived many Iranians of the opportunity to freely choose their representatives. I join many in Iran and around the world in condemning the Iranian regime's efforts to stifle freedom of speech -- including the closing of two leading reformist newspapers -- in the run-up to the election. Such measures undermine the rule of law and are clear attempts to deny the Iranian people's desire to freely choose their leaders.

The United States supports the Iranian people's aspirations to live in freedom, enjoy their God-given rights, and determine their own destiny.


Statement by the President
March 03, 2004
The White House
Office of the Press Secretary

"Our future also depends on America's leadership in this world. The momentum of freedom in our time is strong, but we still face serious dangers. Al Qaeda is wounded, but not broken. Terrorists are testing our will in Afghanistan and Iraq. Regimes of North Korea and Iran are challenging the peace. If America shows weakness and uncertainty in this decade, the world will drift toward tragedy. This will not happen on my watch."
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:56 pm    Post subject: Condoleezza Rice's Opening Statement Reply with quote

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Condoleezza Rice's Opening Statement

January 18, 2005
The Associated Press
Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/2997586

To be sure, in our world there remain outposts of tyranny and America stands with oppressed people on every continent ... in Cuba, and Burma, and North Korea, and Iran, and Belarus, and Zimbabwe. The world should apply what Natan Sharansky calls the ``town square test'': if a person cannot walk into the middle of the town square and express his or her views without fear of arrest, imprisonment, or physical harm, then that person is living in a fear society, not a free society. We cannot rest until every person living in a ``fear society'' has finally won their freedom.




Thank you for great statement by Dr. Rice. We are hoping Dr. Condoleezza Rice as a Secretary of State honor her words, and try to deliver Iran's Islamist Regime Change and help to replace this regime with a Secular Democracy in next few months. Iran with 70% Pro American population and also with over million Top Iranian professionals in United States can not be considered as difficult or impossible task if president Bush execute a correct Regime Change policy and does not submit to EU 3 and Tony Blair. No one should expect Iranian People can do it alone without full US support while the EU Big 3, Canada, China and Russia are helping the Islamist regime. The Iranian people are hostage of the Islamists regime and EU Big 3. The question for New President Bush Admin is:
Are we going to help hostages or hostage takers (Mullahs, Tony Blair and Jack Straw) ? This is a question for Dr. Rice and Bush Admin.


The Iranian people have clearly rejected the Islamist regime by overwhelmingly (90%) boycotting the Mullah's last election. The BOYCOTT WAS A TRUE REFERENDUM AGAINST THE MULLAHS THAT THEY MUST GIVE UP THE POWER AND So FAR THEY HAVE NOT GIVEN ANY INDICATION THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO STEP DOWN AND GIVE UP POWER IN A PEACEFUL MANNER!
The EU Big 3 ignored the legitimate rights of Iranian people and their demands, they negotiated with the Regime and signed contracts with illegitimate Islamist Regime.
The Feb 2004 election/boycott is the latest and best example that the Mullahs are not willing to give up peacefully while the EU Big 3 are supporting them. So far the EU Big 3 has shown that they are the enemy of Iranian freedom, and the Iranian people. The EU Big 3 have used many tricks and tactics to keep the Mullahs in power as long as possible.



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THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO WIN THE WAR ON TERROR - THE WAR IS UNWINNABLE AS LONG AS THE MULLAHS ARE IN POWER - SUPPORT THE IRANIAN PEOPLE AND REAP THE REWARDS OF A FREE IRAN WITH 70 MILLION IRANIANS WHO WILL FIGHT ALONGSIDE THE FORCES OF FREEDOM AND AGAINST THE ISLAMIST FANATICS!!



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:06 pm    Post subject: Hope Bush Admin clarify their Iran policy soon Reply with quote

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Luxembourg Invites Iran to Iraq Summit By ANNE GEARAN, AP Diplomatic Writer
Thu Jun 2, 6:46 PM ET

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050602/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_iraq_iran_1

WASHINGTON - The United States didn't invite Iran to an international conference on Iraq reconstruction, which became awkwardly clear Thursday when a European diplomat said Iran is welcome in spite of long-standing enmity between Washington and the Islamic regime in Tehran.

The European Union and Iraq are joining the United States in hosting the conference on June 22 in Brussels. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice announced plans for the conference last month while in Iraq, and the State Department released details this week. Iran's participation had not been mentioned until a reporter asked about it during a press conference with European diplomats at the State Department.

Rice gave no direct response. Instead, she ticked off U.S. and international complaints about Iran, including allegations that Iran supports terrorists, thwarts Mideast peace and may be developing a nuclear weapon. Iran and the United States have had no diplomatic relations since the seizure of the American Embassy in Tehran by Iranian students in 1979.

"We don't have relations with Iran. Everybody understands that. And we have our differences with Iran," she said.

Then Luxembourg Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn, noting that his country has the presidency of the European Union, told reporters: "Luxembourg has relations with Iran. Iran are invited."

Rice quickly followed Asselborn's statement by saying the United States has no objection to including Iran. "We want Iran and Iraq to have good, neighborly, transparent relations. And to the degree that this serves that cause, we're all for it," she said.


It is not clear whether Iran will attend the one-day conference.

Separately, Rice said the United States has a heavy joint agenda with Europe that should not be affected by the European Union's stumble over ratification of a common constitution. Voters in France and the Netherlands rejected the constitution, which would have streamlined operations of the 25-member alliance.

"We understand that this has been a difficult period and that there will be some period of reflection going forward, but we continue to hope for an outward-looking Europe, not an inward-looking one," Rice said.

EU External Relations Commissioner Benita Ferrero-Waldner tried to be reassuring. A united Europe will continue to work alongside the United States to promote peace between Israel and the Palestinians and on Iraq, she said.

"We are able to work with you as well today as we did yesterday. And some people have suggested we will now be too absorbed in our own crisis to pursue our external policies. I promise you, this will not be the case."

Rice also offered a skeptical view about Iranian presidential elections scheduled for later this month. Iran's hard-line watchdog Guardian Council has severely limited the number of candidates who can participate, although it recently bowed to pressure and allowed two reformist candidates to run.

"I mean, it's ... not a very pretty picture of this election, quote-unquote, that is going to take place in a couple of weeks when candidates have been summarily dismissed by an unelected Guardian Council," Rice said.

Iran shares a long border with Iraq, and the two nations fought a lengthy war in the 1980s. They share many historical, religious and cultural bonds, however, and some members of Iraq's new government have old ties to Iran.

The United States has said little in public about Iranian influence over Iraq since the successful Iraqi elections in January, but Rice brought it up Thursday.

"I have never believed that the Iraqi people, having thrown off the yoke of Saddam Hussein, now wish to subject themselves to the rule of the Guardian Council of Iran," she said. "And so I really do believe that the Iraqis, left to their own devices, will find their own path."

Rice said she discussed Iran with the Iraqi foreign minister during a meeting in Washington on Wednesday.

"We would like nothing better than for Iran to be devoted to a stable Iraq in which Iran is not trying to interfere in Iraq's internal affairs," Rice said.



Quote:
Condoleezza Rice's Opening Statement

January 18, 2005
The Associated Press
Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/2997586

To be sure, in our world there remain outposts of tyranny and America stands with oppressed people on every continent ... in Cuba, and Burma, and North Korea, and Iran, and Belarus, and Zimbabwe. The world should apply what Natan Sharansky calls the ``town square test'': if a person cannot walk into the middle of the town square and express his or her views without fear of arrest, imprisonment, or physical harm, then that person is living in a fear society, not a free society. We cannot rest until every person living in a ``fear society'' has finally won their freedom.



From outside as we read public news, see big contradiction between what Dr. Rice said 6 months ago and her actions in past few months to satisfy EU3 Neo Colonialist and Terror Masters in Tehran. Is Bush Admin submitting to the Terror Masters and EU3? Hope Bush Admin clarify their Iran policy soon.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:05 pm    Post subject: AP: Intelligence Sees Terrorists in Iran Reply with quote

AP: Intelligence Sees Terrorists in Iran

By KATHERINE SHRADER and

JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writers
5 minutes ago

Source : http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050603/ap_on_re_us/iran_terrorists_2

WASHINGTON - U.S. intelligence and foreign allies have growing evidence that wanted terrorists have been residing in Iran despite repeated American warnings to Tehran not to harbor them.


The evidence, which stretches over several years, includes communications by a fugitive mastermind of the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing and the capture of a Saudi militant who appeared in a video in which Osama bin Laden confirmed he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, according to U.S. and foreign officials.

They spoke on condition of anonymity because much of the evidence remains classified.

Saudi intelligence officers tracked and apprehended Khaled bin Ouda bin Mohammed al-Harbi last year in eastern Iran, officials said. The arrest came nearly three years after the cleric appeared with bin Laden and discussed details of the Sept. 11 planning during a dinner that was videotaped and aired across the world.

The capture was a coup for Saudi Arabia, which spent months tracking him and setting up the intelligence operation that led to his being taken into custody in exchange for eventual amnesty.

The officials said interrogations of al-Harbi, who is now in Saudi Arabia, have yielded confirmation of many al-Qaida tactics, including how members crossed into Iran after the U.S. began military operations to rout al-Qaida and the Taliban from Afghanistan.

Al-Harbi is believed to have been paralyzed from the waist down while fighting in the 1990s alongside Muslim extremists in Bosnia and Afghanistan, and he surprised intelligence officials when he appeared in the December 2001 video with bin Laden.

"Everybody praises what you did," al-Harbi said on the tape.

U.S. and foreign intelligence agencies also have evidence stretching back to the late 1990s that indicates Ahmad Ibrahim al-Mughassil remains hiding in Iran. He is wanted as one of the masterminds of the Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia that killed 19 Americans.

Al-Mughassil, who also goes by the alias Abu Omran, has been charged as a fugitive by the United States with conspiracy to commit murder in the attacks and has a $5 million bounty on his head.

U.S. authorities have long alleged the 1996 bombing was carried out by a Saudi wing of the militant group Hezbollah, which receives support from Iran and Syria.

Intelligence agencies gathered evidence, including a specific phone number, as early as 1997 indicating al-Mughassil was living in Iran, and have other information indicating his whereabouts.

U.S. officials have not publicly discussed the Saudi capture of al-Harbi or their evidence on al-Mughassil's whereabouts, but have increasingly raised questions about Iran's efforts to turn over other suspected terrorists believed to be under some form of loose house arrest.

Nicholas Burns, State Department undersecretary for political affairs, told Congress last month that Iran has refused to identify al-Qaida members it has in custody.

"Iran continues to hold senior al-Qaida leaders who are wanted for murdering Americans and others in the 1998 East Africa Embassy bombings and for plotting to kill countless others," Burns said.

Top administration officials have repeatedly warned Iran against harboring or assisting suspected terrorists.

U.S. intelligence this week has been checking some reports, still uncorroborated as of Friday, that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, al-Qaida's leader of the Iraqi insurgency, may have dipped into Iran, officials said.

On Wednesday, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld warned countries in the Middle East not to help al-Zarqawi.

"Were a neighboring country to take him in and provide medical assistance or haven for him, they, obviously, would be associating themselves with a major linkage in the al-Qaida network and a person who has a great deal of blood on his hands," Rumsfeld said.

The U.S. and foreign officials said evidence gathered by intelligence agencies indicates the following figures are somewhere in Iran:

• Saad bin Laden, the son of the al-Qaida leader whom U.S. authorities have aggressively hunted since the Sept. 11 attacks.

• Saif al-Adel, an al-Qaida security chief wanted in connection with the deadly 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Africa.

• Suleiman Abu Ghaith, the chief of information for al-Qaida and a frequently quoted spokesman for bin Laden.

U.S. and foreign intelligence officials say they believe those three are under some form of house arrest or surveillance by Iranian authorities.

Kenneth Katzman, a Middle East analyst at the Congressional Research Service, said the conditions that some of suspected terrorists are living under are unclear. Katzman said it's possible they are being held in guarded villas and he doubts any detention is uncomfortable.

"I think that Iran sees these guys as something of an insurance policy," he said. "It's leverage."

Rasool Nafisi, a Middle East analyst who studies conservative groups in Iran and travels there frequently for research, said Iran has returned some lower-rank operatives to their home countries but probably is keeping higher-ranking operatives as a bartering chip.

"Remember, Islamic tradition is very much based on haggling," Nafisi said. "Everything is negotiable, and you haggle for everything. If I were the Iranian government, I'd be very happy to have them and to use them in future negotiations with the United States."
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 11:50 am    Post subject: Do not legitimize it by allowing it to join the WTO Reply with quote

Islamic Regime of Iran is a Terrorist Regime. Do not legitimize it by allowing it to join the WTO


http://mehr.org/petition_WTO.htm

Please sign this petition ( http://mehr.org/petition_WTO.htm) to tell President Bush that the US words with respect to the Iranian people and their enemy, the Islamic Regime, do not match its deeds.

Words:
· President Bush: First State of the Union Speech, 31 Jan. 2002:
“State like these (Iran, Iraq, and N. Korea) and their allies constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world.”
· President Bush: Statement, July 12, 2002:

“As Iran's people move towards a future defined by greater freedom, greater tolerance, they will have no better friend than the United States of America. “

· President Bush: state of the union address: 1/29/03 and 1/20/2004

Different threats require different strategies. In Iran, we continue to see a government that represses its people, pursues weapons of mass destruction and supports terror. We also see Iranian citizens risking intimidation and death as they speak out for liberty and human rights and democracy. Iranians, like all people, have a right to choose their own government and determine their own destiny and the United States supports their aspirations to live in freedom.

· President Bush: State of the union address: 2005

"to the Iranian people, I say tonight: As you stand for your own liberty, America stands with you."

· USA Declared Policy:

Economic Sanction against the Islamic Regime of Iran for sponsoring terrorism.

Deeds:

· No sanction
More than 200 companies including Halliburton and GE have been making deals with the Islamic Regime during the entire period that sanction was supposed to be imposed.

· Human Rights is not an issue

The conditions for re-establishment of relation with the “axis of evil” have been reduced to only one: A promise to stop the enrichment of uranium. Human rights violation in Iran is completely out of picture.

· Appeasement

Acceptance of the Islamic Regime in the World Trade Organization as an incentive.

The Islamic Regime has to be taken off the terrorists list before this can happen.

· White House Opposition to Anti Regime’s Legislations: June 1, 2005

The Hill, the newspaper for the US Congress reported that “the administration is urging congress to hold off on legislation out of concern that it might disrupt sensitive negotiations about Iran's nuclear program.”


Please Sign this PETITION:

Do not legitimize the Islamic Regime by allowing it to join the WTO

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as i said, pres. Bush tends to stand with weird groups like MEK rather standing with true Iranian people who want a secular democracy back in Iran.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Secretary Rice stated a few days ago that truly democratic elections would be one of the conditions for Iran to actually achieve membership in the WTO. Anyway, it will take ten years minimum to achieve membership (by which time the regime will be long gone), the structural transformations required would destroy the regime in and of themselves, and the US's declining to block the process is being done to keep the Euro Big 3 on board for sanctions if needed.

So the WTO non-block might look like one step back, but I believe the President is taking it on a non-decisive matter in order to take two or three steps forward on important stuff like general Western sanctions in the very near future. I believe those sanctions will be key to getting anything like a velvet revolution if the mullahs don't fall this month.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:55 am    Post subject: oh, dear Dr. Etebar ! Reply with quote

Dear Dr. Etebar,

Let me put the same question to you my dear:

IS THIS HOW YOU STAND WITH IRANIANS?

Asking them to stay at home, when they're ready and wiling for a National Uprising?

How can they expect a foreign president to come to their resque when their own "freedom Movements" discourage them from the uprising already planned and on the way?

I remind you: the same uprising that (we)'ve all been waiting for!

the same uprising that president Bush expects from a nation that longs for freedom!

I don't remember Pr. Bush ever saying: STAY HOME ! and we'll come to your resque!

DO YOU, Ramin jan?


He did say, however, - to the people of Iran- that
Quote:
as you STAND UP for your own freedom, America will stand with you.




and what you have to say to the - people of Iran - dear Ramin?


STAY HOME (!)

DO NOT TAKE TO THE STREETS THE DAY BEFORE ELECTION (!)


What for?

so the ayatollahs can have their happy sham election with peace of mind,
bring a bunch of their thugs from diff. cities to vote several times, as usual, and pretend all is good in front of the world media?

and please, don't repeat the same old lines that - if the streets are deserted, the world will know people are not backing up the regime - the world must be either blinded by $$$ or completely ignorant not to know the truth by now. in either case, QUIET STREETS will be to their advantage!

since they wont have to postpone or break the Lucrative deals, OR heaven forbid aknowledge the illegitimacy of mullahs.

Same thing happened in the last election. You've managed to keep the people behind locked doors.

I haven't heard of any world leader declaring the illetimacy of IRI since then. now why would that be?

I tell you why. It's because they prefer to close their eyes and ears when it comes to Iran and my nation's freedom!

BUT NOT TO WORRY MY DEAR DR. ETEBAR:

WE'LL OPEN THEIR EYES AND EARS !


WITH


A


NATIONAL


UPRISING
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Martin



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr president is now busy giving lots of incentives to the mullahs and call them REASONABLE.

How trading with Mullahs became reasonable in mind of Mr president?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I have explained in another thread, letting the WTO membership process start would not bear any fruit cashwise for Iran for many years, and would require such wrenching readjustments for Iranian commercial and governmental structure that they would probably wreck whatever remains of the regime at that time. Bush is letting this process start in order to obtain the cooperation of the Euro Big 3 on the imposition of sanctions against the regime which he likely could not obtain from them by any other reasonable means. Immediate sanctions by the EU or its biggest states would be a billion times more important to a velvet uprising than any eventual WTO admission years from now. The Bush team views the potential reward as well worth the slight risk and I'd have to agree based on the various signs I've seen.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One could say than in love, war, diplomacy, and "stopping the car in time", is all a mater of timing.

A lot's been going on in quiet ways, and how the second point in this excerpt from the following joint statement effects the IRI, remains to be seen....but I offer it as a clue to what's in the wind.



Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/

Joint Statement Between President George W. Bush and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh




Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and President Bush today declare their resolve to transform the relationship between their countries and establish a global partnership. As leaders of nations committed to the values of human freedom, democracy and rule of law, the new relationship between India and the United States will promote stability, democracy, prosperity and peace throughout the world. It will enhance our ability to work together to provide global leadership in areas of mutual concern and interest.

Building on their common values and interests, the two leaders resolve:


To create an international environment conducive to promotion of democratic values, and to strengthen democratic practices in societies which wish to become more open and pluralistic.

To combat terrorism relentlessly. They applaud the active and vigorous counterterrorism cooperation between the two countries and support more international efforts in this direction. Terrorism is a global scourge and the one we will fight everywhere. The two leaders strongly affirm their commitment to the conclusion by September of a UN comprehensive convention against international terrorism.
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